Expatrick

Well you obviously are, as you have made it clear that the evacuation of animals was more important than the evacuation of people.

Bipat

My point is that this situation, that UK forces were involved in, is being used on this thread as a means to criticise the Tory party instead of having any thoughts regarding the immediate crisis of starvation. Yes obviously Blair was involved in the beginning of the strategy against the Taliban.

Expatrick

Well, of course we mustn't criticise the Tory party.

BristolUK

I don't see anywhere in that article where he makes such a claim. I searched on 'seats' as well as reading it and nothing comes up.

However, in that article I linked to earlier he says he went to the airport with people and dogs and was turned back because guards wouldn't allow the people into the airport. Given there was a plane for people and dogs and he returned the following day with dogs and not people, it would seem logical that the space to be occupied by people would still be space, now that there were no people (of his) to occupy them.

The question at this point should be did he or anyone actually tell anyone that there were now spare seats or was he so focused on using American troops to load up the animals.
One would think he'd remember a call to advise someone of the spare seats on the plane no longer needed. But perhaps he just assumed someone would be a mind reader?

dave_j

Yaaawwwwnnnnnn

Bipat

Please withdraw that remark.
I have not said that the animal issue was in any way important. I am saying that ---it is wrong to use it on this thread merely as a means of criticising the Tories.
"People" ---have you any view of the suffering of the people there now? As I said it is the Afghan people's country---are you saying only those that helped the foreign forces are important?

Expatrick

Actually he did, claiming that there was sufficient other capacity to evacuate the remainder.

And the minor detail that the charter he used was intended for him & his animals - and not for other purposes.

DaveLovesDee

So no separate thread to actually discuss this sensibly. Gotcha.

Those had helped the UK military had promises made. Those that didn't help, some of them were helping the Taliban. But you took the bait about Blair, I see!
As for this thread being used to criticise the Tories, 1, that's what the thread was started for, and 2, if the Tories didn't do anything deserving criticism, this thread would have ended naturally.

As for Afghans starving, there are countries much closer who are able to help out. And there's no change of the current UK government doing anything to help, there's no benefit for their donors, and that same same government's party helped create the problem.

Expatrick

No, I will not withdraw that remark. You have just proved, again, that, in your opinion, the Tories are above criticism You also made it quite clear, previously, that the evacuation of animals in lieu of humans was quite acceptable.

Giantaxe

Are the Tories the new India??

Bipat

I have not done that ---I have just criticised the use on this thread of a man bringing to the UK rescued dogs to get any negative you can find, to criticise the Tories.
Although apparently no interest in the millions now starving.

(How many times to say that I am a member of a different political party--I described Johnson as embarrassing etc. There is plenty else to criticise for.)

Bipat

1) Most of the people were just getting on with their lives. Yes some must have helped the Taliban, but most were oppressed by them.
2) I referred to just this tragic situation.
3) Ah---so that's it. No longer UK problem --Actually other countries nearer are helping.

Liz Truss has organised help but has been criticised for holding back some already owed.

Gordon Brown calls on Liz Truss to help raise funds for Afghanistan | Afghanistan | The Guardian

DaveLovesDee

Ah, so yet again, the UK owes another country money but is delaying payment....

Expatrick

God forbid we should find any negative about the Tories.

BristolUK

Your comprehension appears to be lacking. It was ME who brought up the subject on this thread with a very clear reference to Boris Johnson having lied.
Here, let me help you.
Perhaps that's clear enough for you. Three sentences, the PM in each sentence.