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British Expats (https://britishexpats.com/forum/)
-   Take it Outside! (https://britishexpats.com/forum/take-outside-67/)
-   -   Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked (https://britishexpats.com/forum/take-outside-67/shamima-begum-has-uk-citizenship-revoked-922232/)

Boiler Apr 15th 2019 2:32 pm
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12671167)
Isn't that what she wanted? Surely she would welcome that? :unsure:
I assume she will be subject to that where she is?

Lion in Winter Apr 15th 2019 2:33 pm
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12671167)
Isn't that what she wanted? Surely she would welcome that? :unsure:
Quite possibly, and I expect the British far right would be happy too - give them more to complain about.

EMR Apr 15th 2019 2:53 pm
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12671164)
Well we are getting ahead of ourselves she has due process for her crimes in Syria to contend with first,
What due process, she is in a refugee camp alongside thousands of other women and children..

BristolUK Apr 15th 2019 2:54 pm
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 12671156)
It doesn't work. I tried clapping and the indicator didn't move :frown:
Try this one


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...cd3991ce92.gif

Pulaski Apr 15th 2019 2:55 pm
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12671170)
I assume she will be subject to that where she is?
:fingerscrossed:

Boiler Apr 15th 2019 2:58 pm
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12671199)
What due process, she is in a refugee camp alongside thousands of other women and children..
Currently yes, but she has to go through the justice process for her crimes. I assume that will not be quick with so many to process.

spouse of scouse Apr 15th 2019 3:00 pm
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12671200)
Thanks, I like this one. It's all over the place, just like me :D

TheAwesomeMatt Apr 15th 2019 3:22 pm
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12671137)
Her punishment should be according to her own belief systems?

Well I can see that she is entitled to take the case through the system, how you morally justify paying her legal defence costs and not those of others dealing with the legal system is a mystery. So much for equality.
Legal aid funding has been cut by almost 40% in the last decade, we should probably be placing some pressure on those doing the cutting.

EMR Apr 15th 2019 3:35 pm
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12671205)
Currently yes, but she has to go through the justice process for her crimes. I assume that will not be quick with so many to process.
What process, the International court , the Syrian dictatorship, the Kurdish nationalists, who ?
Are you including all the child soldiers in your fantasy land..
The Tinies whose toys are wooden guns because that is all they know..

Boiler Apr 15th 2019 3:35 pm
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by TheAwesomeMatt (Post 12671223)
Legal aid funding has been cut by almost 40% in the last decade, we should probably be placing some pressure on those doing the cutting.
I understand the issues, anyway from the Graun

How did legal aid change?

In the 1980s, the growing cost to the taxpayer of the legal aid budget became a political issue. Total legal payments by 1986 had risen to £419m a year, though the net cost after contributions were recovered was £342m. That year the first cuts to entitlements were introduced.

More than half of the funds were by that stage being spent in the criminal courts. During the Thatcher administration responsibility for legal aid expenditure was transferred to the Legal Aid Board. Its successor is now the Legal Aid Agency.

Costs continued to rise. Legal aid spending stood at £1.4bn by 1995-96 and reached around £2.2bn in 2010. Labour went into the 2010 election vowing to cut mainly criminal legal aid.
Current figure seems to be c1.6bn and now only 20% qualify for it. So to reinstate Legal Aid well nobody knows what that might be but lets use a nice round number of 10bn, Plus of course I would anticipate that the Court system would need to be significantly expanded to cope with all the extra cases.

So what do you do, after all that is money that can not be spent on other things.

My main point was if you are going to seriously restrict legal aid then the funding of this case strikes me as being a hard sell.

Boiler Apr 15th 2019 3:38 pm
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12671228)
What process, the International court , the Syrian dictatorship, the Kurdish nationalists, who ?
Are you including all the child soldiers in your fantasy land..
The Tinies whose toys are wooden guns because that is all they know..
The obvious place would be in the Country she committed her crimes. They would have jurisdiction. That is where crimes are normally dealt with.

EMR Apr 15th 2019 4:01 pm
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12671234)
The obvious place would be in the Country she committed her crimes. They would have jurisdiction. That is where crimes are normally dealt with.
Which country are you referring to, there is non in that part of the world with a working judicial system .
You do not have a clue just spouting popularist claptrap..

Boiler Apr 15th 2019 4:07 pm
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12671250)
Which country are you referring to, there is non in that part of the world with a working judicial system .
You do not have a clue just spouting popularist claptrap..
Your posts are coming across as distinctly racist, of course they have a judicial system.

EMR Apr 15th 2019 4:11 pm
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12671254)
Your posts are coming across as distinctly racist, of course they have a judicial system.
SYRIA. Iraq. TURKEY, the kurdish enclaves. do you follow the news.

Boiler Apr 15th 2019 4:14 pm
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12671257)
SYRIA. Iraq. TURKEY, the kurdish enclaves. do you follow the news.
I have been to Turkey 3 times, now I am no expert on their legal system but they do have one. Personally I would give Syria and Iraq a miss.

I am not sure what you are trying to say, only Countries with legal systems you approve of are valid?


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