Pulaski

It's not a physical thing, like hugely, it's bigger in a conceptual way, so bigger than "significantly".

anotherlimey

Bombing them first.

stevenglish1

Doesn't that all depend on whether the burglar's girlfriend knew what he was before she ran away to Liverpool to be with him?

Yet this piece of work ran away from the relative safety of the UK to join them, definitely deserves a second chance

EMR

Killing children , is that what you mean.

anotherlimey

no, just bomb them first

EMR

We have been doing that for years, killed a lot of women and children.

anotherlimey

maybe not the right people.

it's quite simple, you want to reduce the risk, but I just eliminated it.

EMR

Killing women and children.

macliam

No - there is no charge of "guilt by association", except in the court of public opinion.

So, all white South Africans who lived there during apartheid are racists - or just the UK migrants who moved there?

Boiler

I would imagine that the ones who said they were, were, why should we not believe them?

macliam

..... and those who deny it?
Despite much wriggling, nobody has justified the treatment of this woman (and others) set against the return of over 400 actual fighters, who did all she did and more.

Boiler

She has not denied it so irrelevant to this thread.

If I was King I would not have let any of the 400 in, assuming that is correct, or whatever the number is, but I am not and I realise we are where we are. A deeply unpleasant place and only going to get worse, much worse.

It is now part and parcel of living in the UK, and of course many other places, times change.

macliam

Denied what? Has she admitted carrying out any crimes, has she been charged? As far as I have seen she has said she was a housewife - and her husband has said the same. I think what she did is wrong, I think her beliefs are wrong, I despair that an apparently intelligent young woman chooses to forego the comforts of western privilege. Any misdeeds on her part should be punished, but under the law, not by casting her out and destroying her by proxy.

There is no king and precious few absolute powers, so you would have to abide by legal process. Belief in something that others find abhorrent is not punishable - there are plenty of people in the UK who would be in trouble if it were. Only if crimes are committed and proven can punishment take place (apart, of course, from those incarcerated without trial or charge in Guantanamo - who could not be treated in the same way in mainland USA). Are you suggesting that this is another case where normal mores should be put aside? To do so is a slippery slope.....

Lion in Winter

This is the bit that worries me, as stated earlier.

anotherlimey

only if they are actual terrorists