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Old Mar 12th 2019, 1:57 am
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Originally Posted by Red Eric View Post
Is that like "bigly", only bigger?
It's not a physical thing, like hugely, it's bigger in a conceptual way, so bigger than "significantly".
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Old Mar 12th 2019, 2:55 am
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Originally Posted by Boiler View Post
So what is the non risk solution?
Bombing them first.

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Old Mar 12th 2019, 6:49 am
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Default Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked

Originally Posted by macliam View Post
I find it incredible that so many people have already written her off as so much trash for someone else to dispose of, based on the "evidence" of media reports. Would the same be done in other circumstances - would you suggest that the girlfriend of a burglar should suffer the same fate as her partner? Or is there something special about her, apart from her being in the spotlight?
Doesn't that all depend on whether the burglar's girlfriend knew what he was before she ran away to Liverpool to be with him?

Daesh follow a perversion of Islam, a cruel and unforgiving doctrine that attempts to "justify" the mistreatment of their victims.
Yet this piece of work ran away from the relative safety of the UK to join them, definitely deserves a second chance
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Old Mar 12th 2019, 9:10 am
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Originally Posted by anotherlimey View Post
Bombing them first.
Killing children , is that what you mean.
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Old Mar 12th 2019, 11:57 am
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Killing children , is that what you mean.
no, just bomb them first
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Old Mar 12th 2019, 12:20 pm
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Originally Posted by anotherlimey View Post
no, just bomb them first
We have been doing that for years, killed a lot of women and children.
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We have been doing that for years, killed a lot of women and children.
maybe not the right people.

it's quite simple, you want to reduce the risk, but I just eliminated it.
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Originally Posted by anotherlimey View Post
maybe not the right people.

it's quite simple, you want to reduce the risk, but I just eliminated it.
Killing women and children.
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Old Mar 12th 2019, 1:58 pm
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Default Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked

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Doesn't that all depend on whether the burglar's girlfriend knew what he was before she ran away to Liverpool to be with him?
No - there is no charge of "guilt by association", except in the court of public opinion.

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Yet this piece of work ran away from the relative safety of the UK to join them, definitely deserves a second chance
So, all white South Africans who lived there during apartheid are racists - or just the UK migrants who moved there?
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Default Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked

Originally Posted by macliam View Post
No - there is no charge of "guilt by association", except in the court of public opinion.

So, all white South Africans who lived there during apartheid are racists?
I would imagine that the ones who said they were, were, why should we not believe them?
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I would imagine that the ones who said they were, were, why should we not believe them?
..... and those who deny it?
Despite much wriggling, nobody has justified the treatment of this woman (and others) set against the return of over 400 actual fighters, who did all she did and more.
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Originally Posted by macliam View Post
..... and those who deny it?
Despite much wriggling, nobody has justified the treatment of this woman (and others) set against the return of over 400 actual fighters, who did all she did and more.
She has not denied it so irrelevant to this thread.

If I was King I would not have let any of the 400 in, assuming that is correct, or whatever the number is, but I am not and I realise we are where we are. A deeply unpleasant place and only going to get worse, much worse.

It is now part and parcel of living in the UK, and of course many other places, times change.
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Default Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked

Originally Posted by Boiler View Post
She has not denied it so irrelevant to this thread.

If I was King I would not have let any of the 400 in, assuming that is correct, or whatever the number is, but I am not and I realise we are where we are. A deeply unpleasant place and only going to get worse, much worse.

It is now part and parcel of living in the UK, and of course many other places, times change.
Denied what? Has she admitted carrying out any crimes, has she been charged? As far as I have seen she has said she was a housewife - and her husband has said the same. I think what she did is wrong, I think her beliefs are wrong, I despair that an apparently intelligent young woman chooses to forego the comforts of western privilege. Any misdeeds on her part should be punished, but under the law, not by casting her out and destroying her by proxy.

There is no king and precious few absolute powers, so you would have to abide by legal process. Belief in something that others find abhorrent is not punishable - there are plenty of people in the UK who would be in trouble if it were. Only if crimes are committed and proven can punishment take place (apart, of course, from those incarcerated without trial or charge in Guantanamo - who could not be treated in the same way in mainland USA). Are you suggesting that this is another case where normal mores should be put aside? To do so is a slippery slope.....
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Default Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked

Originally Posted by macliam View Post
Denied what? Has she admitted carrying out any crimes, has she been charged? As far as I have seen she has said she was a housewife - and her husband has said the same. I think what she did is wrong, I think her beliefs are wrong, I despair that an apparently intelligent young woman chooses to forego the comforts of western privilege. Any misdeeds on her part should be punished, but under the law, not by casting her out and destroying her by proxy.

There is no king and precious few absolute powers, so you would have to abide by legal process. Belief in something that others find abhorrent is not punishable - there are plenty of people in the UK who would be in trouble if it were. Only if crimes are committed and proven can punishment take place (apart, of course, from those incarcerated without trial or charge in Guantanamo - who could not be treated in the same way in mainland USA). Are you suggesting that this is another case where normal mores should be put aside? To do so is a slippery slope.....

This is the bit that worries me, as stated earlier.

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Killing women and children.
only if they are actual terrorists
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