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British Expats (https://britishexpats.com/forum/)
-   Take it Outside! (https://britishexpats.com/forum/take-outside-67/)
-   -   Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked (https://britishexpats.com/forum/take-outside-67/shamima-begum-has-uk-citizenship-revoked-922232/)

EMR Feb 25th 2019 9:24 pm
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by BritInParis (Post 12643805)
It’s not but never mind.
Just google " home office rulings overturned ".

BristolUK Feb 25th 2019 11:38 pm
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by BEVS (Post 12643820)
I personally feel there is too much easy use of the word 'radicalised'. Many may simply have liked & were drawn to the idea of the Caliphate and all it stood for. After all there were no hidden secret surprises about it really. World news and ISIS themselves ensured everyone knew what they were about .
That's an interesting point. The thing is, though, if you're already Muslim I can't (politely) think of a better word than radicalisation. Losing one's marbles? Going nuts? I mean you can't just watch the news and think yes, that's a good idea. We need to kill non believers and believers too until we get our way. There has to be some form of persuasion and brainwashing or radicalisation would seem the most appropriate descriptors.

Maybe it was a red bus with a big lie on the side. :hysterical:

Boiler Feb 26th 2019 12:45 am
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12643896)
That's an interesting point. The thing is, though, if you're already Muslim I can't (politely) think of a better word than radicalisation. Losing one's marbles? Going nuts? I mean you can't just watch the news and think yes, that's a good idea. We need to kill non believers and believers too until we get our way. There has to be some form of persuasion and brainwashing or radicalisation would seem the most appropriate descriptors.

Maybe it was a red bus with a big lie on the side. :hysterical:
I see thw term used a lot on here, wonder how many of them are Muslims?

Labels seem very popular, not sure if I understand this one.

Scamp Feb 27th 2019 5:24 am
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12643454)
As much as most of us would be happy to see her rot in a refugee camp, it's highly likely that the decision will be overturned and as that woman panelist (I forget her name) on this weeks Question Time said: She was born, raised and radicalised in the UK. Our country is responsible for her. The inconvenient truth is she's right.
Weirdly, I sort of agree with you (and this lady you reference). There is some responsibility there.

However, I'm also more than happy to see she doesn't benefit from anything the UK has to offer. Whether that be the inside of a prison cell, freedom or whatever.

Thairetired2016 Feb 27th 2019 7:00 am
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12643454)
As much as most of us would be happy to see her rot in a refugee camp, it's highly likely that the decision will be overturned and as that woman panelist (I forget her name) on this weeks Question Time said: She was born, raised and radicalised in the UK. Our country is responsible for her. The inconvenient truth is she's right.
If she was radicalised in the U.K. may be one should have a closer look at her family, school etc. You can't hold a country responsible if her family? are at fault or her teachers. Look at the local mosque where she perhaps used to pray. Don't hold a whole country responsible.

Scamp Feb 27th 2019 7:18 am
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by Thairetired2016 (Post 12644654)
If she was radicalised in the U.K. may be one should have a closer look at her family, school etc. You can't hold a country responsible if her family? are at fault or her teachers. Look at the local mosque where she perhaps used to pray. Don't hold a whole country responsible.
I agree - this is how I read Paulry's comment in fairness, that there is a responsibility locally / surrounding her / through her influences.

paulry Feb 27th 2019 7:30 am
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 12644639)
Weirdly, I sort of agree with you (and this lady you reference). There is some responsibility there.

However, I'm also more than happy to see she doesn't benefit from anything the UK has to offer. Whether that be the inside of a prison cell, freedom or whatever.
This is weird. We agree on something.

Lion in Winter Feb 27th 2019 3:29 pm
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Speaking of the atmosphere at home, this can't be helpful in any way.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47386100

Boiler Feb 27th 2019 3:36 pm
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12644879)
Speaking of the atmosphere at home, this can't be helpful in any way.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47386100
Ultimate Airsoft Range said it provided targets of other public figures, citing Donald Trump, Adolf Hitler and Justin Bieber as examples.

Nutek Feb 27th 2019 3:37 pm
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12644879)
Speaking of the atmosphere at home, this can't be helpful in any way.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47386100
I preferred the "Thanks for not joining ISIS" Mothers Day cards on Etsy.

Boiler Feb 27th 2019 3:43 pm
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by Nutek (Post 12644885)
I preferred the "Thanks for not joining ISIS" Mothers Day cards on Etsy.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...a55fac8f3a.jpg

spouse of scouse Feb 27th 2019 3:45 pm
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by Nutek (Post 12644885)
I preferred the "Thanks for not joining ISIS" Mothers Day cards on Etsy.
Same here. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, but if my (adult) son had given me that card I'd have laughed.

spouse of scouse Feb 27th 2019 3:48 pm
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12644879)
Speaking of the atmosphere at home, this can't be helpful in any way.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47386100
It's pretty rank and I'm disappointed to see this in the area I used to live in :(

Lion in Winter Feb 27th 2019 4:04 pm
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by Nutek (Post 12644885)
I preferred the "Thanks for not joining ISIS" Mothers Day cards on Etsy.

Seems reasonable.

Or maybe the retirement cards - "WOW - Forty years on the job and you never joined ISIS!"

Lion in Winter Feb 27th 2019 4:06 pm
Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12644884)
Ultimate Airsoft Range said it provided targets of other public figures, citing Donald Trump, Adolf Hitler and Justin Bieber as examples.
I'm sure they do.

But none of them are related to a domestic UK problem with radical, violent religious groups, are they.


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