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Old Jun 28th 2020, 8:41 am
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Blame the Home Office and Mears Group. Here is a prophetiuc warning from May 2020 -
https://www.paih.org/letter-to-the-h...eh-in-glasgow/
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Old Jun 28th 2020, 10:32 am
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Originally Posted by el collado kid View Post
I heard on the radio yesterday 75% of all refuse collectors are down in the dumps.
Aw, put a lid on it will you!
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Old Jun 28th 2020, 11:42 am
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Originally Posted by Red Eric View Post
What about the refuse collectors?
What about the workers?

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Old Jun 28th 2020, 11:43 am
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Originally Posted by el collado kid View Post
I heard on the radio yesterday 75% of all refuse collectors are down in the dumps.
Do they refuse to work?
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Old Jun 28th 2020, 2:56 pm
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321 View Post
Not much different in Canada, they rely heavily on medications for mental health, even though for many mental health issues medications are not appropriate first-line treatment. We also have people who end up ending their lives while waiting on long waits lists if help is even available, its a postal code lottery in Canada for mental health, those with complex disorders that need long term therapy are basically screwed in the vast majority of Canada if they can't self pay, and low cost places typically wont take complex disorders because well they are complex and difficult, and time consuming to treat.

Society has more or less decided as have the politicians that the loss of life from not providing adequate mental health treatment and access is okay because of the money saved.

For me for example if I stayed in Vancouver there was 0% chance of ever getting help, your average person with a significant mental health problem likely doesn't have 1,000+ a month for treatment. Which is the insane part.

There have been some cases in Canada where someone has gone to hospital for help, not taken seriously or provided any help, discharged and then the patient ended their lives not long after.

Often even if admitted, you spend a week in hospital receiving no actual help, discharged and sent on your way with little to no community support.

It's a totally broken system, and money alone wont fix it, the issue is policies, you can throw money at it, but without a change in policy nothing will actually improve.
And detaining them in hospital takes them out of familiar routine, which can be a trigger. And for those who seem to stabilise in hospatial are sent back out into a world the patient is ill-equipped to deal with.

So nothing changes...
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Old Jun 29th 2020, 8:34 am
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Do they refuse to work?
NO it turns out they were all fired because they were all rubbish.
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Originally Posted by el collado kid View Post
NO it turns out they were all fired because they were all rubbish.
Their performance was littered with errors.
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And detaining them in hospital takes them out of familiar routine, which can be a trigger. And for those who seem to stabilise in hospatial are sent back out into a world the patient is ill-equipped to deal with.

So nothing changes...
So true. It's completely the same where I am. When discharged your basically sent on your way with no follow up or very little follow up.

This was my typical day in hospital for mental health hospitalization.

Wake up 8am
Breakfast 8am to 9am also shower during this time.
Wait to see psychiatrist between 9am and 11, will see doctor for approx 10-15 minutes.
Wait for lunch at 12 noon
1pm they had arts and crafts for 1 hour
2pm to 5pm wait for dinner.
6pm to 10pm TV time
10pm-11pm get ready for bed
11pm bed.

If on medications nurses would bring medications at the required times.

Weekends were basically the same, except didn't see a doctor on weekends and no arts and crafts.




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Their performance was littered with errors.
There performance was just rubbish.they were warned if they do it again and they will be binned.
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Old Jul 1st 2020, 4:37 am
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Jsmth321 posts disturbing reports on the treatment of the mentally ill. Other posters seek to trivialise or divert this serious thread.

Treatment of people with psychiatric issues is a serious topic.
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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian View Post
I believe any news media should report stories accurately and tone down sensational headlines but of course they want readers to read the articles which sometimes means they have to click on the headlines. Traditional newspapers are not read by many but those that are the reader doesn't need to click to read the story as they usually buy it to be kept informed.
I agree it is sometimes hard to do a headline but is the headline the actual story. Lots of online media have comments sections and I have laughed my ass off when obviously the person making a comment hasn't read the story as the question he/she asks is answered in the actual article. CBC is a prime example of this except stories where they don't allow comments.

Also what bugs the crap out of me is in most cases and due to Privacy issues the Police and other Law Enforcement Agencies cannot give their side of the story or it is a very watered down version due to the ongoing investigation. Try reading any story involving CBSA and see how the CBSA respond to it. Guarantee it will be words like sorry we don't comment on individual cases.

Need some examples
Meanwhile, a spokesperson for public safety minister Ralph Goodale said the government cannot comment on the Montoya’s case specifically.
https://globalnews.ca/news/4751451/f...christmas-eve/


A spokesperson for CBSA told CTV News Toronto that it is unable to comment on specific cases due to privacy concerns, but said that the decision to remove someone from Canada is not taken lightly.
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/pregnant-...avel-1.4714851


The CBSA spokesperson declined to comment directly on Betoukoumessou’s case, citing privacy concerns
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...in_canada.html
Because FARC was well-known for following through on its threats — and because the family says police in Bogota showed no interest in helping them — the Montoyas chose to flee Colombia and seek refuge in Canada.


That's where my sympathy in cases like that seriously starts to wain. That is not a choice they get to make and no doubt they selected Canada because they thought they'd stand a better chance of success with the Canadian government versus the Obama administration.

If Colombia is no longer safe for them then they should be seeking refuge from the closest available safe country. If they want to immigrate to Canada then there are legal means to do that. What they did makes a mockery of everyone who follows the rules as tries to do things the right way.

In the UK especially, immigration authorities are these days all too often perceived as the bad guy. Heartless beauracrats running on a fuel of racism and supported by right wing government policy. When really all they amount to is a yet another underfunded and overstretched public service charged by the government to enact the laws of the land.


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That's where my sympathy in cases like that seriously starts to wain. That is not a choice they get to make and no doubt they selected Canada because they thought they'd stand a better chance of success with the Canadian government versus the Obama administration.

If Colombia is no longer safe for them then they should be seeking refuge from the closest available safe country. If they want to immigrate to Canada then there are legal means to do that. What they did makes a mockery of everyone who follows the rules as tries to do things the right way.

In the UK especially, immigration authorities are these days all too often perceived as the bad guy. Heartless beauracrats running on a fuel of racism and supported by right wing government policy. When really all they amount to is a yet another underfunded and overstretched public service charged by the government to enact the laws of the land.
WAyhay my old supernatural little mate where have you been.I thought the chinese had got you.Very worried in spain
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WAyhay my old supernatural little mate where have you been.I thought the chinese had got you.Very worried in spain
A few people have said things like that to me today, it's really nice to know I was missed.

The Chinese haven't gotten me just yet but it's probably also fair to say they haven't had much of an opportunity tbh.
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Originally Posted by scot47 View Post
Other posters seek to trivialise
You've been around long enough to know that's nonsense.
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Old Jul 1st 2020, 11:18 am
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Jsmth321 posts disturbing reports on the treatment of the mentally ill. Other posters seek to trivialise or divert this serious thread.

Treatment of people with psychiatric issues is a serious topic.
I completely agree.

I have two very compelling experiences of people near me who did not fare well under the current system. One ended tragically, and the other achieved complete recovery - the latter because we intervened, sought out and obtained so-called "un-scientifcially proven" treatments.

If you're interested, do a BE search against my name for the word "orthomolecular".
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