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Originally Posted by 007Steve View Post
Disillusioned people tend not to participate. To turn their state into an automatic switch to the opposite, imo, ignores human nature entirely.
I saw some article somewhere which included an interview with a British man in his seventies who had never voted. Ever. Because "politicians lie".

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I saw some article somewhere which included an interview with a British man in his seventies who had never voted. Ever. Because "politicians lie".
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I suspect there's a significant number of "disillusioned" on all sides.

I'd bet a few quid there's plenty of Tory voters who would be happy to vote for remaining, as long as it meant keeping Tories in power. Tribalism trumps practical reality.


Quite a few posters have suggested PR as a potential means of undoing the tribalism standpoint, with the somewhat muted supposition that it would take two, maybe three generations for this to have a meaningful effect vis-a-vis "Island mentality".

None of those currently holding the Tribalism mindset are likely to get on board just yet, so how best move on?

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Quite a few posters have suggested PR as a potential means of undoing the tribalism standpoint, with the somewhat muted supposition that it would take two, maybe three generations for this to have a meaningful effect vis-a-vis "Island mentality".

None of those currently holding the Tribalism mindset are likely to get on board just yet, so how best move on?
PR is about who ends up in the HOC, not how people vote. What does island mentality have to do with anything? Sorry, just don't get your post.
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I'd bet a few quid there's plenty of Tory voters who would be happy to vote for remaining, as long as it meant keeping Tories in power. Tribalism trumps practical reality.
That would be my sister. Always pro-Europe, voted Remain, but a tribal Tory.
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That's NOT what you claimed, and NOT what you were being called out on. Either admit you made an untruthful statement, or prove your assertions.
So that is the problem? I quite happily concede the point. The bottom line is that the majority of M.P; voted, through their parties, after debate to place it in their manifestos; to respect the result of the referendum. Subsequently, they didn't!!!
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I didn't say they were disillusioned, I said they were disillusioned with JC. And that's just my word choice, how about 'frustrated' or 'resentful'? Of course, it's just one focus group, but there are often vox pop where Northerners express the same sentiment.

They were asked to predict headlines 6 months hence, and generally they produced sunny upland type headlines. Never overestimate the intelligence of the public.
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I saw some article somewhere which included an interview with a British man in his seventies who had never voted. Ever. Because "politicians lie".
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So that is the problem? I quite happily concede the point. The bottom line is that the majority of M.P; voted, through their parties, after debate to place it in their manifestos; to respect the result of the referendum. Subsequently, they didn't!!!
A reading of the actual Labour 2017 manifesto section on Brexit (as opposed to the popularly peddled distillation you're repeating) might give a clue as to why many Labour MPs would have felt justified in voting against what was subsequently served up. Nor were they alone in that - the hardline Brexiters amongst the Tories enthusiastically led the charge against their own leader. 3 times.

And you're still ignoring the fact that it was Mr Johnson who pulled the continuation of the process in favour of holding an election. That was after approval to the next stage of debating the Withdrawal Agreement had been given when it was amended to cater specifically to the tastes of the Tory hardliners and re-presented to Parliament in October.
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A perspective from an Australian cartoonist. Some of you will like it, some will not, some may be annoyed at a non-Brit having an opinion on UK politics (tough cookies)

You know you're not legally required to like Jeremy Corbyn in order to vote for him right?
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-for-him-right
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A perspective from an Australian cartoonist. Some of you will like it, some will not, some may be annoyed at a non-Brit having an opinion on UK politics (tough cookies)

You know you're not legally required to like Jeremy Corbyn in order to vote for him right?
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-for-him-right
I learned a new word, smoking. More substantially - this is quite a long narrative, but it only addresses two parties, Labour & Conservative? (I’ve seen this cartoon before, somehow never realized it was Australian.)
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I learned a new word, smoking. More substantially - this is quite a long narrative, but it only addresses two parties, Labour & Conservative? (I’ve seen this cartoon before, somehow never realized it was Australian.)
I can't speak for Andrew Marlton, but I don't think his cartoon was meant to be a comprehensive analysis. It's unashamedly biased towards Labour as the best party to lead the UK, it raised (in my view) some valid points, and most of all it's clever and rather amusing socio-political commentary from someone whose work I've always admired
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