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Old Oct 18th 2020, 11:38 pm
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Originally Posted by paulry View Post
...I'm sure this election is going to be a close one.
What's gone "wrong" since your earlier post about a landslide win for Trump?
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Awesome developments. If things carry on like this Trump could be headed for a landslide win.
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Old Oct 19th 2020, 12:03 am
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Originally Posted by paulry View Post
To some extent I agree. Biden's political record is almost irrelevant because he is just an easily manipulable front for a very toxic, destructive and proven-to-never-work, and very intolerant ideology that seeks to dissolve the nation state and destroy the USA. But then Biden as the front has some very questionable credentials if he is now pretending to be friendly to black voter interests - which are now being peddled in order to secure the black vote. The overwhelming majority of Democratic party supporters believe they "are doing the right thing" and supporting the "good side" but unfortunately they are what are known as "useful idiots". On the bright side, and as we shall see, very many have been red pilled and have walked away, joining the silent majority who will vote for Trump.

Trump on the other hand while publically appearing to be an argumentative buffoon, he is authentic, and has the interests of all Americans in his heart. He is a strong leader and does not yield to opponents such as China and Iran, he demands that everyone pull their weight to support world peace, and his is not a warmonger. And he believes in preserving the USA, the nation state, it's constitution, it's traditions and it's values.
This is a very simplistic, almost paranoid take on the Democrats. They were in power just 4 years ago, and there's zero evidence of trying to destroy the USA. Admittedly, Democrats are more closely aligned with some of the far Left, but not all Democrats, and in any case the system would withstand such pressures. Too much Tucker Carlson methinks.

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Even hacks at the NY Post didn't want to add their name to their Giuliani-peddled Biden hit-piece:

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Old Oct 19th 2020, 1:02 am
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Even hacks at the NY Post didn't want to add their name to their Giuliani-peddled Biden hit-piece
Trained Marxists?
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Originally Posted by Shard View Post
This is a very simplistic, almost paranoid take on the Democrats. They were in power just 4 years ago, and there's zero evidence of trying to destroy the USA. Admittedly, Democrats are more closely aligned with some of the far Left, but not all Democrats, and in any case the system would withstand such pressures. Too much Tucker Carlson methinks.

What they call the far left in the US is basically Canada

Only threat I see in the US is coming from the right.



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Old Oct 19th 2020, 1:18 am
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This is a very simplistic, almost paranoid take on the Democrats. They were in power just 4 years ago, and there's zero evidence of trying to destroy the USA. Admittedly, Democrats are more closely aligned with some of the far Left, but not all Democrats, and in any case the system would withstand such pressures. Too much Tucker Carlson methinks.
The establishment Democrats pander to the hard left because they think it neuters the threat to their control of the party machinery but they're certainly not controlled by them.
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Old Oct 19th 2020, 1:47 am
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What they call the far left in the US is basically Canada

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Sometimes I do wonder.
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Old Oct 19th 2020, 1:57 am
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What they call the far left in the US is basically Canada

Only threat I see in the US is coming from the right.
I've seen US politics referred to over the years as the Democrats being centre-right and the Republicans a little bit further to the right than the Democrats.... Is there any true left-wing mainstream political party in the US?
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Where is this "hard left" people are going on about? Seriously, who are they?

Even Sanders would have bern on the left of Blair's Labour, but on the right of Corbyn's. Who else?

Why do we have to accept the terms of the discussion foisted upon us that the Democrats, want, or will pander to, the "hard left". Even if there were one, the Democrats, like the Republicans, are various shades of capitalist who run the US as a business to favour a few. The Dems are just a bit more likely to throw the rest of us a few bones, not start a race war or directly encourage action by armed militias. But far left? Laughable.
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321 View Post
What they call the far left in the US is basically Canada .....
That got me thinking and I found this - https://qz.com/1748903/how-2020-us-d...l-politicians/

Quite surprising, or not, that there are very few left of centre politics - let alone far left.
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Old Oct 19th 2020, 2:33 am
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Where is this "hard left" people are going on about? Seriously, who are they?

Even Sanders would have bern on the left of Blair's Labour, but on the right of Corbyn's. Who else?

Why do we have to accept the terms of the discussion foisted upon us that the Democrats, want, or will pander to, the "hard left". Even if there were one, the Democrats, like the Republicans, are various shades of capitalist who run the US as a business to favour a few. The Dems are just a bit more likely to throw the rest of us a few bones, not start a race war or directly encourage action by armed militias. But far left? Laughable.
Presumably this was directed at me? The short answer is that the Democratic establishment is terrified of a Momentum style takeover by the Democratic Socialists of America.
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Presumably this was directed at me? The short answer is that the Democratic establishment is terrified of a Momentum style takeover by the Democratic Socialists of America.
No, not particularly directed at you. It was a serious question. Paulry and Boiler say the same on here, as do Trump's campaign people. I've lived here for many, many years and there has been a big fat zero in terms of "hard left" anywhere even vaguely close to power and influence.

I find it hard to believe that the DSA have made such significant advances, but I'm prepared to be convinced. The Democratic machine and its backers are both wide and deep. I don't hear of them being concerned though. I hear certain republicans and random Trumpers telling us we should be concerned, which isn't the same thing at all.

https://www.dsausa.org/

I did meet Howard Zinn once. He was a lovely old fella. There is a proud history of democratic socialism in the US.

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/161058

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Old Oct 19th 2020, 3:16 am
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Trump ... has the interests of all Americans in his heart. ...
Seriously? I mean, seriously? He's a spoiled brat who cares only for himself and his name.
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Originally Posted by paulry View Post
True. But then people have seen what has gone on these last 4 years with the lefts antics to resist Trump every step of the way. But even so, I'm sure this election is going to be a close one.
So Trump said he would repeal and replace the ACA. 4 years later, he's done absolutely nothing and is now playing the game of issuing executive orders that do nothing. He keeps saying he'll protect people with pre-existing conditions but has no plan whatsoever to actually do this. He said he was going to take care of infrastructure; I thought that might be one of the few bright spots of his presidency, but ... nada. Build the wall and make Mexico pay ... right. These weren't things the left 'resisted' - he simply failed to create any policy. The one thing he has done is reduce taxes, which I think was a bad move.
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Old Oct 19th 2020, 3:23 am
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
I've seen US politics referred to over the years as the Democrats being centre-right and the Republicans a little bit further to the right than the Democrats.... Is there any true left-wing mainstream political party in the US?
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