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Post EU Referendum...Part II

Old Feb 22nd 2019, 2:15 pm
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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian View Post
To be pedantic it was a non binding referendum.
That's not pedantic at all.

Neither is saying that the manner in which it was conducted made it anti-democratic.
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Old Feb 22nd 2019, 2:18 pm
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Hey, let's hold a referendum on legalising theft.

I'm sure there's plently of pluses to it. For example, you can just take stuff, no need to pay for it. We can launch a pro-theft referendum campaign. Get Cambridge Analytica on it. Flood social media with all kinds of theories about being freed from the shackles of this silly law against theft.

After we win it, and everybody starts ripping everybody off, we can accuse the "anti-theft-maniacs" of being "undemocratic". Maybe even make a law criminalising "undemocratic" behaviour. And if that doesn't work, we can always claim (with imaginary statistics) that the dramatic increase in thievery has nothing to do with the referendum. Easy peasy.

What do you think?

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Old Feb 22nd 2019, 2:28 pm
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Default Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II

Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
By "cannot accept a democratic vote" I mean those who are trying to thwart or overturn brexit before it has been enacted. You don't have to like the result of a democratic vote, but you do have to accept it.

Remainiacs use "advisory", "37%", "deception" and "under duress" in ways to try and delegitimise the vote. Sure some of them are technically correct, but they are being used to suggest the vote was not legitimate and should therefore be soundly ignored and we should default to the remainers position - this is anti democratic.
The Referendum was legitimate, in that it was passed via Parliamentary Act to hold it.

The Leave campaigns (plural - official and unofficial) clearly broke electoral law. If Remain did the same, that makes the result doubly invalid.

The Referendum was legally advisory. No matter how much you don't like it said, that's a fact. The next step should have been Parliament debating the result instead of the government trying to sideline Parluament.

The Tories were the ones being undemocratic.
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Old Feb 22nd 2019, 2:30 pm
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It wasn't legitimate - it was a bogus referendum.
Bogus -


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Old Feb 22nd 2019, 2:57 pm
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Default Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II

Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
Hey, let's hold a referendum on legalising theft.

I'm sure there's plently of pluses to it. For example, you can just take stuff, no need to pay for it. We can launch a pro-theft referendum campaign. Get Cambridge Analytica on it. Flood social media with all kinds of theories about being freed from the shackles of this silly law against theft.

After we win it, and everybody starts ripping everybody off, we can accuse the "anti-theft-maniacs" of being "undemocratic". Maybe even make a law criminalising "undemocratic" behaviour. And if that doesn't work, we can always claim (with imaginary statistics) that the dramatic increase in thievery has nothing to do with the referendum. Easy peasy.

What do you think?
Good Idea - Why not get Aaron Banks the run the campaign, so he can make a few "bob" on the side & dear Boris as Press Officer + let's not forget good ole Nigel & the "Three Lying Stooges" can preform all over again
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Default Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II

Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
Hey, let's hold a referendum on legalising theft.

I'm sure there's plently of pluses to it. For example, you can just take stuff, no need to pay for it. We can launch a pro-theft referendum campaign. Get Cambridge Analytica on it. Flood social media with all kinds of theories about being freed from the shackles of this silly law against theft.

After we win it, and everybody starts ripping everybody off, we can accuse the "anti-theft-maniacs" of being "undemocratic". Maybe even make a law criminalising "undemocratic" behaviour. And if that doesn't work, we can always claim (with imaginary statistics) that the dramatic increase in thievery has nothing to do with the referendum. Easy peasy.

What do you think?
I tend to think a few residents of certain cities have already decided to do this without a referendum.

Most at-risk residents for burglaries and vehicle crime combined

1. North West London

2. Central London

3. South West London

4. South East London

5. Leeds

6. Liverpool

7. Manchester

8. Bradford

9. Coventry

10. Birmingham

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...-hotspots.html
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Old Feb 22nd 2019, 3:28 pm
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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian View Post
I tend to think a few residents of certain cities have already decided to do this without a referendum.Most at-risk residents for burglaries and vehicle crime combined

1. North West London

2. Central London

3. South West London

4. South East London

5. Leeds

6. Liverpool

7. Manchester

8. Bradford

9. Coventry

10. Birmingham

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...-hotspots.html
Well, how are they doing with that? I think those areas are "flourishing", right?

We could make posters. Put it on the side of a bus.

Let's make the whole country as prosperous as London.



Now you can have all you want and more. Unlock the shackles!
Vote Theft!

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Old Feb 22nd 2019, 5:32 pm
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Default Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II

Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
Well, how are they doing with that? I think those areas are "flourishing", right?

We could make posters. Put it on the side of a bus.

Let's make the whole country as prosperous as London.



Now you can have all you want and more. Unlock the shackles!
Vote Theft!
If that one doesn't work ami, and things do go pear shaped, they can always copy this post March...
https://www.mail.com/int/news/europe...-stage-hero1-1
Can't they???

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Old Feb 22nd 2019, 5:48 pm
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Somebody has to pick them. And we know how voters feel about that.
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
Like a broken record you're stuck in 2016 - that argument was already comprehensively lost.
Lost ? If so why the fear of a second referendum after the issue has been looked at more for two years ..
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Old Feb 22nd 2019, 8:47 pm
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It's interesting isn't it, back at post #8246 I mentioned two very positive items for the UK, yet none of you are able to positively engage about them, just continue to be focussed on whining about a distant past vote that you lost.

It shows where your mindset is.
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It's interesting isn't it, back at post #8246 I mentioned two very positive items for the UK, yet none of you are able to positively engage about them, just continue to be focussed on whining about a distant past vote that you lost.
It shows where your mindset is.
.... because most mindsets here are aware of the FACT that January is the month in which most UK company taxes are paid and received by HM Treasury. Go back to the 1980's and nearly EVERY year since then has provided record tax receipts for the govt.
As you would normally chant at this juncture "nothing to do with European exit"

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Old Feb 22nd 2019, 9:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
It's interesting isn't it, back at post #8246 I mentioned two very positive items for the UK, yet none of you are able to positively engage about them, just continue to be focussed on whining about a distant past vote that you lost.

It shows where your mindset is.
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.... because most mindsets here are aware of the FACT that January is the month in which most UK company taxes are paid and received by HM Treasury. Go back to the 1980's and nearly EVERY year since then has provided record tax receipts for the govt.
As you would normally chant at this juncture "nothing to do with European exit"
And the second 'very positive item' is opinion, not fact.
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Old Feb 22nd 2019, 9:02 pm
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.... because most mindsets here are aware of the FACT that January is the month in which most UK company taxes are paid and received by HM Treasury. Go back to the 1980's and nearly EVERY year since then has provided record tax receipts for the govt.
As you would normally chant at this juncture "nothing to do with European exit"
You should know by now any good news while a member of the EU Must be due to Brexit.

Any bad news related to companies or government preparing for a post Brexit UK , has nothing to do with Brexit..
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Old Feb 22nd 2019, 9:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
Like a broken record you're stuck in 2016 - that argument was already comprehensively lost.
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Lost ? If so why the fear of a second referendum after the issue has been looked at more for two years ..
Indeed.

In truth, the very fact that a 2nd referendum is still very much a possibility shows just how wrong the notion that "the argument was comprehensively lost" is.
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