Post EU Referendum...Part II
Aug 18th 2018, 4:59 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by EMR
There is no law, no act in Parliament being proposed to hold another referendum ...
Originally Posted by EMR
...maybe in years to come when we plead to be re admitted.
Aug 18th 2018, 5:14 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by Red Eric
Well there you go then, he could - and right away. There wouldn't be much point in running a campaign for another referendum if an act had already been passed, would there?
In order to plead to be readmitted, we'd have to have left
In order to plead to be readmitted, we'd have to have left
It would take a siesmic change in our political structure to change that.
The debate is now only about how We leave with tminimal damage .
Farage and co do not give a shit about what damage Brexit will cause Just about their personal end games..
Last edited by EMR; Aug 18th 2018 at 5:38 pm.
Aug 18th 2018, 6:13 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by Cape Blue
Typical triggered remainiac, throwing out terms like racist, demagogue etc.
There is no racism, hate and abuse released due to Brexit. The media jumped on things and encouraged more reporting, but the idea that any signiificant real increase in bigotry occured is frankly laughable.
EU workers have not been "driven away" by Brexit, we have had hundreds of thousands (net) more EU citizens move to the UK since the referendum. This type of person clearly feels it is the right of the British to steal medical staff from around the world - quite disgusting colonial attitude.
The NHS will have to manage its recruitment better, the government will have to incentivise more medical training in the UK - both positives as far as I can see.
Nothing to see here apart from the usual remainiac nonsense.
There is no racism, hate and abuse released due to Brexit. The media jumped on things and encouraged more reporting, but the idea that any signiificant real increase in bigotry occured is frankly laughable.
EU workers have not been "driven away" by Brexit, we have had hundreds of thousands (net) more EU citizens move to the UK since the referendum. This type of person clearly feels it is the right of the British to steal medical staff from around the world - quite disgusting colonial attitude.
The NHS will have to manage its recruitment better, the government will have to incentivise more medical training in the UK - both positives as far as I can see.
Nothing to see here apart from the usual remainiac nonsense.
They are just as welcome to come from EU countries if qualified.
Aug 18th 2018, 6:17 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
And god help them if they're down a cul de sac.
-we are having a Gurkha 'take-away' ---wasn't that much of a problem ordering!!!
Aug 18th 2018, 6:42 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by EMR
We are leaving, the Tories and Labour both support the referendum result.
- there are many who might disagree with you on that but it is official party policy, at least for the moment.
Originally Posted by EMR
It would take a siesmic change in our political structure to change that.
The debate is now only about how We leave with tminimal damage .
The debate is now only about how We leave with tminimal damage .
Aug 18th 2018, 7:15 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by Bipat
The majority of NHS workers are from non-EU countries, they apply to come they are not "stolen"!!
They are just as welcome to come from EU countries if qualified.
They are just as welcome to come from EU countries if qualified.
Re. your takeaway, did you order from a "menu"?
Aug 18th 2018, 7:22 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by Red Eric
I thought he was supposed to be going to the rescue of the rest of the EU, after he's finished touring Oz and NZ, where he's due to tell them what a roaring success Brexit is and how they, too, can Take Back Control.
Aug 18th 2018, 7:41 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by Bipat
The majority of NHS workers are from non-EU countries, they apply to come they are not "stolen"!!
They are just as welcome to come from EU countries if qualified.
They are just as welcome to come from EU countries if qualified.
Its cheaper to exploit those from India the Philipinres .etc..
Nothing to do with the EU predates our EU membership..
Aug 18th 2018, 7:43 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by Expatrick
93% of NHS staff are from the EU (source HoC report).
Re. your takeaway, did you order from a "menu"?
Re. your takeaway, did you order from a "menu"?
There are difference in origins of different grades of NHS workers.
https://researchbriefings.parliament...mmary/CBP-7783
Our takeaway -----we have had the menus for years---what is your point?
Aug 18th 2018, 7:53 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by Bipat
Obviously the majority of NHS staff are British. We are discussing Post Brexit situation and migrants.
There are difference in origins of different grades of NHS workers.
https://researchbriefings.parliament...mmary/CBP-7783
Our takeaway -----we have had the menus for years---what is your point?
There are difference in origins of different grades of NHS workers.
https://researchbriefings.parliament...mmary/CBP-7783
Our takeaway -----we have had the menus for years---what is your point?
Presumably Modi's new health care plan will keep Indian health care professionals in India?
Aug 18th 2018, 7:55 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by EMR
Cape has a point, it is disgrace that UK goivernments for decades have attracted skilled medical staff from countries that cannot afffored to lose them rather than focus on training UK skilled staff.
Its cheaper to exploit those from India the Philipinres .etc..
Nothing to do with the EU predates our EU membership..
Its cheaper to exploit those from India the Philipinres .etc..
Nothing to do with the EU predates our EU membership..
India has no problem with doctors traveling abroad, for work or research, many produce children and grandchildren who follow them in the same profession. There is nothing to stop them returning and many do! (They work for a compulsory time in India before leaving).
Yes I agree more should be trained in the UK----it cannot happen overnight.
Aug 18th 2018, 8:06 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by Bipat
Well this evening ---family birthday--- and blessed improvement in a members health----
-we are having a Gurkha 'take-away' ---wasn't that much of a problem ordering!!!
-we are having a Gurkha 'take-away' ---wasn't that much of a problem ordering!!!
Aug 18th 2018, 8:14 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by Expatrick
The origin of the word menu (clue, its not Indian).
Presumably Modi's new health care plan will keep Indian health care professionals in India?
Presumably Modi's new health care plan will keep Indian health care professionals in India?
They are Nepalese not Indian.
I don't know what difference the new health plan will be for health care professionals, certainly private hospitals will benefit as more patients will go there rather than Government hospitals. Poor people will benefit from cheaper topclass health care.
Aug 18th 2018, 8:32 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by Bipat
There is unemployment in the Philippines for nurses.
India has no problem with doctors traveling abroad, for work or research, many produce children and grandchildren who follow them in the same profession. There is nothing to stop them returning and many do! (They work for a compulsory time in India before leaving).
Yes I agree more should be trained in the UK----it cannot happen overnight.
India has no problem with doctors traveling abroad, for work or research, many produce children and grandchildren who follow them in the same profession. There is nothing to stop them returning and many do! (They work for a compulsory time in India before leaving).
Yes I agree more should be trained in the UK----it cannot happen overnight.
Aug 18th 2018, 8:44 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by EMR
You must still be under the influence if you think the leader of UKIP at its peak who could not get elected in the UKIP stronghold of Essex is a successfull politician..
Remind us how manyfailed attempts to become an MP has he..
Tyrion lannister has more stature.
Remind us how manyfailed attempts to become an MP has he..
Tyrion lannister has more stature.
That said, in the 2015 election UKIP got more votes than the LibDems and got more votes than the SNP/Greens/DUP/Sinn Fein/Plaid Cymru etc all put together.
But his crowning success was of course, forcing a referendum and then soundly winning it.
