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Post EU Referendum...Part II

Old Aug 18th 2018, 5:59 pm
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Originally Posted by EMR View Post
There is no law, no act in Parliament being proposed to hold another referendum ...
Well there you go then, he could - and right away. There wouldn't be much point in running a campaign for another referendum if an act had already been passed, would there?

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...maybe in years to come when we plead to be re admitted.
In order to plead to be readmitted, we'd have to have left
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Old Aug 18th 2018, 6:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Red Eric View Post
Well there you go then, he could - and right away. There wouldn't be much point in running a campaign for another referendum if an act had already been passed, would there?


In order to plead to be readmitted, we'd have to have left
We are leaving, the Tories and Labour both support the referendum result..
It would take a siesmic change in our political structure to change that.
The debate is now only about how We leave with tminimal damage .
Farage and co do not give a shit about what damage Brexit will cause Just about their personal end games..

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Old Aug 18th 2018, 7:13 pm
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
Typical triggered remainiac, throwing out terms like racist, demagogue etc.

There is no racism, hate and abuse released due to Brexit. The media jumped on things and encouraged more reporting, but the idea that any signiificant real increase in bigotry occured is frankly laughable.

EU workers have not been "driven away" by Brexit, we have had hundreds of thousands (net) more EU citizens move to the UK since the referendum. This type of person clearly feels it is the right of the British to steal medical staff from around the world - quite disgusting colonial attitude.

The NHS will have to manage its recruitment better, the government will have to incentivise more medical training in the UK - both positives as far as I can see.

Nothing to see here apart from the usual remainiac nonsense.
The majority of NHS workers are from non-EU countries, they apply to come they are not "stolen"!!
They are just as welcome to come from EU countries if qualified.
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Old Aug 18th 2018, 7:17 pm
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And god help them if they're down a cul de sac.
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-we are having a Gurkha 'take-away' ---wasn't that much of a problem ordering!!!
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Old Aug 18th 2018, 7:42 pm
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We are leaving, the Tories and Labour both support the referendum result.
Hmmm - there are many who might disagree with you on that but it is official party policy, at least for the moment.

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It would take a siesmic change in our political structure to change that.
The debate is now only about how We leave with tminimal damage .
Certainly looks that way at the moment but the most crucial part of the process is yet to begin. There are better people than I on both sides of the Channel saying it's not yet a given and that the door is still open for the Will of The People to be thwarted. And people on both sides of the UK divide, too.
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Originally Posted by Bipat View Post
The majority of NHS workers are from non-EU countries, they apply to come they are not "stolen"!!
They are just as welcome to come from EU countries if qualified.
93% of NHS staff are from the EU (source HoC report).

Re. your takeaway, did you order from a "menu"?
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I thought he was supposed to be going to the rescue of the rest of the EU, after he's finished touring Oz and NZ, where he's due to tell them what a roaring success Brexit is and how they, too, can Take Back Control.
Oz and NZ are leaving too? Blimey, next it'll be Brazil and Mexico. Imminent collapse. It'll be great.
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Old Aug 18th 2018, 8:41 pm
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The majority of NHS workers are from non-EU countries, they apply to come they are not "stolen"!!
They are just as welcome to come from EU countries if qualified.
Cape has a point, it is disgrace that UK goivernments for decades have attracted skilled medical staff from countries that cannot afffored to lose them rather than focus on training UK skilled staff.
Its cheaper to exploit those from India the Philipinres .etc..
Nothing to do with the EU predates our EU membership..
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93% of NHS staff are from the EU (source HoC report).

Re. your takeaway, did you order from a "menu"?
Obviously the majority of NHS staff are British. We are discussing Post Brexit situation and migrants.
There are difference in origins of different grades of NHS workers.

https://researchbriefings.parliament...mmary/CBP-7783

Our takeaway -----we have had the menus for years---what is your point?
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Obviously the majority of NHS staff are British. We are discussing Post Brexit situation and migrants.
There are difference in origins of different grades of NHS workers.

https://researchbriefings.parliament...mmary/CBP-7783

Our takeaway -----we have had the menus for years---what is your point?
The origin of the word menu (clue, its not Indian).

Presumably Modi's new health care plan will keep Indian health care professionals in India?
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Cape has a point, it is disgrace that UK goivernments for decades have attracted skilled medical staff from countries that cannot afffored to lose them rather than focus on training UK skilled staff.
Its cheaper to exploit those from India the Philipinres .etc..
Nothing to do with the EU predates our EU membership..
There is unemployment in the Philippines for nurses.
India has no problem with doctors traveling abroad, for work or research, many produce children and grandchildren who follow them in the same profession. There is nothing to stop them returning and many do! (They work for a compulsory time in India before leaving).

Yes I agree more should be trained in the UK----it cannot happen overnight.
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Old Aug 18th 2018, 9:06 pm
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Well this evening ---family birthday--- and blessed improvement in a members health----
-we are having a Gurkha 'take-away' ---wasn't that much of a problem ordering!!!
Well, they should know about kukri......
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The origin of the word menu (clue, its not Indian).

Presumably Modi's new health care plan will keep Indian health care professionals in India?
I followed your lead-----I just get out the 'card' from the kitchen drawer.
They are Nepalese not Indian.
I don't know what difference the new health plan will be for health care professionals, certainly private hospitals will benefit as more patients will go there rather than Government hospitals. Poor people will benefit from cheaper topclass health care.
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Old Aug 18th 2018, 9:32 pm
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There is unemployment in the Philippines for nurses.
India has no problem with doctors traveling abroad, for work or research, many produce children and grandchildren who follow them in the same profession. There is nothing to stop them returning and many do! (They work for a compulsory time in India before leaving).

Yes I agree more should be trained in the UK----it cannot happen overnight.
Nothing to do with the UK not spending enough on training its own doctors and nurses and exploiting those from other countries..
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You must still be under the influence if you think the leader of UKIP at its peak who could not get elected in the UKIP stronghold of Essex is a successfull politician..
Remind us how manyfailed attempts to become an MP has he..
Tyrion lannister has more stature.
The UK FPTP system advantages the larger parties.

That said, in the 2015 election UKIP got more votes than the LibDems and got more votes than the SNP/Greens/DUP/Sinn Fein/Plaid Cymru etc all put together.

But his crowning success was of course, forcing a referendum and then soundly winning it.
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