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Post EU Referendum...Part II

Old Nov 9th 2019, 6:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Bipat View Post
There is quite a difference between 3 years and 43 years, and no previous vote on the EU.
Some items have a shorter shelf life than others.

Brexit's smelling distinctly off.
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Old Nov 9th 2019, 6:05 pm
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Originally Posted by Bipat View Post


No I am not confusing you. You have persistently expressed you opinions regarding non-EU migrants.

Yes Cape Blue has negative views about all.
How is it that I am not 'even handed' when I want equal rules for all???????

(Fellow "traveller"---we have been in UK for months because of ongoing rare illness of a family member).
No, I don't.

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Old Nov 9th 2019, 6:09 pm
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Originally Posted by Ingles View Post
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All off the above in Orange
For the former I have repeatedly provided data from the ONS (below), for the latter two they are not my assertion, they were the point made by DLD that I responded to.


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Old Nov 9th 2019, 6:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Bipat View Post
We used to have FOM into our other country.
FoM isn't a one way arrangement - it's an arrangement between countries, all of which agree to equal terms on travel and residence.

That's why it doesn't make any sense for you to keep banging on about big into small not going. It's free circulation in all directions.

Originally Posted by Bipat View Post
Apparently the Blue Card system allows 'fast track' into permanent residence.
27,241 to Germany last year.
Germany very keen for more---- see Merkel recent visit to India!!!
There you go, you see? FoM and non-EU immigration are perfectly compatible.

Maybe anyone concerned about us not having enough non-EU migrants should have been lobbying the UK government to join the EU Blue Card system.
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Old Nov 9th 2019, 6:41 pm
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Originally Posted by BuckinghamshireBoy View Post
As you caught me in a good mood, best have one of these
Word in the ditch here is that "good moods" will be heavily scrutinised as of December 2020.
Ta, BB!!
...That'll be no surprise if the UK quits next January. With the UK course now set at full speed to Misery, anyone caught smiling in December 2020 can only be high on something, a foreign non-dom UK located tax exile, or a visiting expat (Wonder if I should go back for a visit ? )
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Old Nov 9th 2019, 6:43 pm
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Originally Posted by Red Eric View Post
FoM isn't a one way arrangement - it's an arrangement between countries, all of which agree to equal terms on travel and residence.
That's why it doesn't make any sense for you to keep banging on about big into small not going. It's free circulation in all directions.
There you go, you see? FoM and non-EU immigration are perfectly compatible.
Maybe anyone concerned about us not having enough non-EU migrants should have been lobbying the UK government to join the EU Blue Card system.
Will that mean we can get "foreigners" to pick up the tons of apples currently rotting on the ground ....
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Old Nov 9th 2019, 6:53 pm
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1) FoM isn't a one way arrangement - it's an arrangement between countries, all of which agree to equal terms on travel and residence.

That's why it doesn't make any sense for you to keep banging on about big into small not going. It's free circulation in all directions.

2) There you go, you see? FoM and non-EU immigration are perfectly compatible.

Maybe anyone concerned about us not having enough non-EU migrants should have been lobbying the UK government to join the EU Blue Card system.

1) It WAS two-way, UK stopped it from their side, then the other larger country stopped it about 17 years later because of terrorism fears.

2) My point was that Post Brexit when the UK is a non-EU country British migrants can use the Blue card system.

You fail to understand the simple point that in order to keep numbers at a manageable number in a small country some restrictions are necessary. If one group has FOM all restrictions are on the other groups. This has been explained so many times.

POST BREXIT-----
It is not a case of 'not enough' of 'any' migrants but about admitting those with most needed skills regardless of where they come from! Why is this difficult to understand?
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Old Nov 9th 2019, 6:56 pm
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They seem to manage OK in non-EU countries at the moment.
Which non-EU countries do Brits work as reps in?

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Old Nov 9th 2019, 6:59 pm
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Which non-EU countries do Brits work as reps in?
They certainly work in India. So I can't imagine that is the only non-EU country they work in.
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Old Nov 9th 2019, 7:46 pm
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Originally Posted by Bipat View Post
1)

You fail to understand the simple point that in order to keep numbers at a manageable number in a small country some restrictions are necessary. If one group has FOM all restrictions are on the other groups. This has been explained so many times.
What I don't understand is that you claim to have voted for brexit due to "higher motives", and not because of FOM and yet you keep banging on about opening up the UK to yet more non EU migrants.

And as I explained before your "solution" is to apply new restrictions on one group in order to increase the already high volume from the other group.

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Old Nov 9th 2019, 7:50 pm
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
No, I don't.

Persistent
High
Net

Are the key words, plus quality.
Well, "persistent high net immigration" is subjective. >You< think it's high. But even the figures you use show it's actually lower than others. Yet you still maintain it's some sort of crisis that requires suffering consequences of a dramatic and self-depreciating "solution" that has little to do with it, and won't change the fundamental need for it (in fact will likely only increase the demand for "foreign" labour).

Lets examine why you might feel that such a damaging "solution" which has little impact on a nonexistent "crisis" would be your passion, shall we?

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Old Nov 9th 2019, 8:24 pm
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Originally Posted by Expatrick View Post
What I don't understand is that you claim to have voted for brexit due to "higher motives", and not because of FOM and yet you keep banging on about opening up the UK to yet more non EU migrants.

And as I explained before your "solution" is to apply new restrictions on one group in order to increase the already high volume from the other group.
I am joining in the discussions already taking place.
How many times (are you able to read?).
It is about needed skills regardless of origin. How do you know in any one month, any one year it may be LESS non-EU. It will depend on the needs of the time and who applies.
It is not about one group or another group it is about workers with needed skills.
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Old Nov 9th 2019, 8:27 pm
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Originally Posted by Expatrick View Post
What I don't understand is that you claim to have voted for brexit due to "higher motives", and not because of FOM and yet you keep banging on about opening up the UK to yet more non EU migrants.

And as I explained before your "solution" is to apply new restrictions on one group in order to increase the already high volume from the other group.
Also confusing me. I suspect it's just a preference for one kind of foreigner over another, rather than just common Brexit xenophobia.

But ironically, that's precisely what she accuses those who question her views on this; preferring EU foreigners over non-EU foreigners (even resorting to accusations of "xenophobia" on those who question her logic), which is quite a stretch. And rich. Especially considering that non-EU foreigners are already in the majority in UK immigration statistics.

So, what exactly is the complaint? Not enough non-EU immigrants yet? I'd expect Blueboy to have conniption fits about that.

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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
Also confusing me. I suspect it's just a preference for one kind of foreigner over another, rather than just common Brexit xenophobia.

But ironically, that's precisely what she accuses those who question her views on this; preferring EU foreigners over non-EU foreigners, which is quite a stretch. And rich.
FFS- Ami it is not about a preference one type of foreigner, it is about those with the needed skills for the job at any one time. How do you know it will not be MORE EU than non-EU?????

(I certainly think on evidence of his posts Expatrick does not favour non-EU migrants.)

Can I give you very broad examples--- needed teachers--- EU trained are usually more suitable, surgeons certain non-EU will be more likely trained according to Uk routines. It will vary.

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Old Nov 9th 2019, 8:48 pm
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Originally Posted by Bipat View Post
FFS- Ami it is not about a preference one type of foreigner, it is about those with the needed skills for the job at any one time. How do you know it will not be MORE EU than non-EU?????

(I certainly think on evidence of his posts Expatrick does not favour non-EU migrants.)
EU nationals will also likely have the same needed skills, unless there's a particular skill only taught to non-EU nationals. And EU nationals don't need visas to attend UK job interviews, nor work visas to start their employment.
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