Post EU Referendum
Jul 17th 2016, 3:58 pm
#1261
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re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
Sturgeon: Second independence referendum could be next year - BBC News
Interesting. Maybe Scotland leaves, maybe May uses the lack of a united UK front to postpone Article 50 or declare that it cannot be activated without too great a loss to the country.
House of Cards stuff among the powerful.
Interesting. Maybe Scotland leaves, maybe May uses the lack of a united UK front to postpone Article 50 or declare that it cannot be activated without too great a loss to the country.
House of Cards stuff among the powerful.
More than half of British people believe the UK will not exist in ten years, new poll finds
Some 53 per cent of Britons believe the union will break up in the next decade
More than half of British people believe the UK will not exist in 10 years time, a new poll has found.
Most Britons, 66 per cent, believe maintaining access to the single market is more important than restricting freedom of movement.
But 31 per cent still think immigration is more important - and 45 per cent said they will be dissatisfied if the government does not guarantee it.
Most Britons, 66 per cent, believe maintaining access to the single market is more important than restricting freedom of movement.
But 31 per cent still think immigration is more important - and 45 per cent said they will be dissatisfied if the government does not guarantee it.
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Jul 17th 2016, 4:07 pm
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re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Bipat
The referendum was for British people to decide whether they should be members of the EU, I would agree that non-British of whatever origin should not have been allowed to vote.
I do not refer to second, third generation UK born Asians or any other nationality as migrants, they can be of "immigrant origin" if all their ancestors were from abroad! or even if some ancestors were from abroad.
Can you not comprehend that they might be PROUD of their origins? Are you suggesting it is something to be ashamed of??
I do not refer to second, third generation UK born Asians or any other nationality as migrants, they can be of "immigrant origin" if all their ancestors were from abroad! or even if some ancestors were from abroad.
Can you not comprehend that they might be PROUD of their origins? Are you suggesting it is something to be ashamed of??
How is that democracy.
So you agree that migrants from anywhere should have been denied a vote .
Only UK born or those who gave up any other passport to be given the right to vote
One rule for all .
Yes or No.?
I see nothing wrong in being proud of your heritage but you are no longer anything else but British.
Of course a large percentage of the UK population sadly will never treat them as equals.
Jul 17th 2016, 4:17 pm
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re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by EMR
How is a non EU migrant who could vote more British than an EU migrant denied the vote.
How is that democracy.
So you agree that migrants from anywhere should have been denied a vote .
Only UK born or those who gave up any other passport to be given the right to vote
One rule for all .
Yes or No.?
I see nothing wrong in being proud of your heritage but you are no longer anything else but British.
Of course a large percentage of the UK population sadly will never treat them as equals.
How is that democracy.
So you agree that migrants from anywhere should have been denied a vote .
Only UK born or those who gave up any other passport to be given the right to vote
One rule for all .
Yes or No.?
I see nothing wrong in being proud of your heritage but you are no longer anything else but British.
Of course a large percentage of the UK population sadly will never treat them as equals.
Of course, you are still part of your heritage, You don't shed your ancestry when you emigrate. You are still part of it! (Regardless of how anyone treats you.)
What about those with dual nationality?
Jul 17th 2016, 4:26 pm
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re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Bipat
I said only "British" should have been allowed to vote---of whatever origin-- that includes those of EU origin doesn't it?
Of course, you are still part of your heritage, You don't shed your ancestry when you emigrate. You are still part of it! (Regardless of how anyone treats you.)
What about those with dual nationality?
Of course, you are still part of your heritage, You don't shed your ancestry when you emigrate. You are still part of it! (Regardless of how anyone treats you.)
What about those with dual nationality?
I do not believe in dual nationality, if the UK is your home then you should give up the other.
Make a choice, decide who you want to be and accept the restrictions that decision may result in.
Jul 17th 2016, 4:38 pm
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re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by EMR
If they were holders of UK passports origin was irrelevant.
I do not believe in dual nationality, if the UK is your home then you should give up the other.
Make a choice, decide who you want to be and accept the restrictions that decision may result in.
I do not believe in dual nationality, if the UK is your home then you should give up the other.
Make a choice, decide who you want to be and accept the restrictions that decision may result in.
Jul 17th 2016, 4:52 pm
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re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Bipat
That would include many EU nationals in the UK and British living in Europe.
Jul 17th 2016, 5:32 pm
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re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by EMR
You mean those holding dual nationality, they would not be British if tomorrow they could be french or Indian for example.
(India does not allow dual nationality).
Jul 17th 2016, 6:11 pm
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re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Bipat
Not sure what you are saying? People living in Britain with British passports and who hold dual nationality with another country are no longer British?
(India does not allow dual nationality).
(India does not allow dual nationality).
If the other then you become a migrant with all that entails..
Jul 18th 2016, 2:18 am
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re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by paulry
Give me one reason why a trade deal should lead to a relaxation of immigration rules? 
Jul 18th 2016, 2:24 am
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re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Bipat
Do you actually read posts? I asked you a couple of questions you did not reply.
Jul 18th 2016, 2:38 am
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re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee
I'm going to explain this to you again! In short words this time.
The BBC has had 0.01% of it's total funding in the last 3 years come from the EU.
Note, not 1%, but 100th of 1%.
Now for the longer words.
The BBC is funded by the government (and by UK households under a government-mandated arrangement). The BBC is (and has mostly always been in the last 40 years) a pro-government organisation with a pro-government bias. Whichever party has been in power. If you take the time to look, you'll see that whatever the government's position is on anything, the BBC's position (and that of most of the media's) has been the same.
The BBC has had 0.01% of it's total funding in the last 3 years come from the EU.
Note, not 1%, but 100th of 1%.
Now for the longer words.
The BBC is funded by the government (and by UK households under a government-mandated arrangement). The BBC is (and has mostly always been in the last 40 years) a pro-government organisation with a pro-government bias. Whichever party has been in power. If you take the time to look, you'll see that whatever the government's position is on anything, the BBC's position (and that of most of the media's) has been the same.
Several relevant paragraphs, including:
>>However, the size of these EU gifts is arguably irrelevant, even though they are indicative of the BBC’s seemingly unquenchable thirst for public money. What is undeniably true is that the BBC has acted with characteristic slyness by concealing that it ever requested, let alone received, this European cash, suggesting that it is uneasy about the public being aware of its financial arrangements.<<
You can Google for a long time and never come up with the EU >> BBC grant figures.
Jul 18th 2016, 8:34 am
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re: Post EU Referendum
Another example of the growing threat of communist Europe and their diabolical plot to take over the world.
...or at least a plot to make Brits appear silly.
...or at least a plot to make Brits appear silly.
Jul 18th 2016, 8:48 am
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re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Wol
I'm afraid EMR has form on this one. He adopts the climate change denier tactic of just ignoring questions the answers to which he doesn't like.
Do you have anything to contribute to the discussion ?
Jul 18th 2016, 11:02 am
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re: Post EU Referendum
UK economy must endure 'short, sharp shock' after Brexit vote
In April, Item said the UK’s GDP would grow by 2.6% in 2017 – a figure it now expects to be barely 0.4%. It expects the pound to have fallen 15% in a year by the end of 2016, and decline further through the decade.
Unemployment is forecast to rise from 5% to 7.1% by the end of 2019, cutting household disposable income. Consumer spending is expected to fall next year – the first decline since 2011.
Meanwhile, a survey of 132 chief financial officers at major UK companies showed that business optimism had declined to the point where most were gloomier about their firm’s prospects now than during the height of the financial crisis.
Peter Spencer, chief economic adviser at Item, said: “Longer-term, the UK may have to adjust to a permanent reduction in the size of the economy, compared with the trend that seemed possible prior to the vote.”
Unemployment is forecast to rise from 5% to 7.1% by the end of 2019, cutting household disposable income. Consumer spending is expected to fall next year – the first decline since 2011.
Meanwhile, a survey of 132 chief financial officers at major UK companies showed that business optimism had declined to the point where most were gloomier about their firm’s prospects now than during the height of the financial crisis.
Peter Spencer, chief economic adviser at Item, said: “Longer-term, the UK may have to adjust to a permanent reduction in the size of the economy, compared with the trend that seemed possible prior to the vote.”
Jul 18th 2016, 11:23 am
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re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by amideislas
Another example of the growing threat of communist Europe and their diabolical plot to take over the world.
...or at least a plot to make Brits appear silly.
...or at least a plot to make Brits appear silly.
