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Old Jan 28th 2017, 8:52 am
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Antonio Tajani - New European Parliament president says EU needs to change | World | News | Daily Express


New Euro president tells Brussels to leave 'ivory tower' and WAKE UP to what PEOPLE WANT

THE new European parliament president has admitted Brussels chiefs have been burying their heads in the sand while closing themselves in “the ivory tower in Brussels”.
Allow me to shine some light into your darkness, if you will. It requires you to concentrate for a little longer than it takes to read an Express headline - are you up for the challenge?

The powers of the European Parliament increased considerably under its recently-departed President, Martin Schulz such that it now plays an even more significant role in decision-making. Which is good, because all the members of the Parliament are directly elected, so there's no quibbling there about a lack of democracy, is there?

Last month, the European Council announced a plan in which, for the Brexit negotiations, only Barnier and Tusk would be present. MEPs didn't like that at all - they have to vote on the outcome, after all, so it's only fair that they should play some part in the proceedings, no? So, after making representations to the President of the Commission, the Parliament has won major concessions on what their part will be in those negotiations. They appear to have won a seat at the table and at the very least have got a commitment to them being kept informed and updated of developments and for their positions to be taken on board. A central role, in other words. And they're also suggesting inviting Theresa May to address the Parliament in April - surely all fans of democracy should applaud that move. Whether, if the invitation is issued, May will accept is another matter, of course .

The Parliament is actually going to be very defensive of the Union as a whole and will not allow individual national interests to prevail. That means that speculation about how much weight Germany's car manufacturers or Italy's prosecco producers etc lend to the proceedings, on which optimistic Leaver predictions are based, is a little fanciful. The Parliament will put the interests of all EU citizens foremost.

I assume you'll be perfectly OK with that, since you keep posting stuff implying the Commission is dictatorial and goes against the wishes of the people. However, it would appear that in this intance, the greater amount of democracy might actually make it harder for the UK to address the concerns of individual member states or to sow divisions amongst them in a manner beneficial to itself. The EP works in a rather different manner, which crosses national boundaries.
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You would have thought they would be grateful for it. It was the only moderately wealthy and militarily powerful predominately Islamic country that adopted peace, democracy, religious freedom, and western-style tolerance without having a rocket shoved up its arse by a US administration.

America only seemed to be interested in Turkey when it suited America and the EU just continues to stick its nose up in Turkey's general direction.
Modern Turkey has been a military dictatorship for most of its existence.
Ironically it is democracy that has led to the rise in religious ifluence ,capitalised on by Erdogan.
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Old Jan 28th 2017, 9:37 am
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Theresa May’s US dash

May’s eagerness to be the first foreign leader to shake that short-fingered hand, the scramble to catch up with Nigel Farage and Michael Gove, gave off a strong whiff of desperation.

That is a scent Trump understands. What he lacks in book smarts, he makes up for in alpha male gamesmanship. His lifelong training was in real estate, an area in which there is rarely such thing as a win-win deal: the more you get, the more I pay.

He will have seen May as that most desperate of creatures: the housebuyer who rashly sold her old house before she had found a new one. Having tossed away Britain’s keys to the European single market, she will soon be homeless – and Trump knows it. For all the niceties – May’s shrewd deployment of a royal invitation for a state visit and her compliment to the president on his “stunning election victory”, flattery which saw Trump glow a brighter shade of orange – he will have seen May as a sucker who needs to make a deal. And he will look forward to naming his price.
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When Trump demands all that, May – needing a deal, any deal, to prove that Brexit is not a disaster – will struggle to say no. And what would be gained? One study, released on Friday, estimated that leaving the single market would bring a loss in UK trade of up to 30% – while a new deal with the US might boost it by a meagre 2%. It was a reminder that while the US might be a bigger market for British exports than any other single country, it is dwarfed by the European continent on our doorstep.

Whitehall believes May can steer Trump towards sanity on the importance of the UN, Nato and a rules-based international system as well as the necessity of vigilance when it comes to Vladimir Putin. (“Engage, but beware,” as May put it.) As Jeremy Shapiro, a former state department official, told the New York Times, London tends to think “our expert tutelage will socialise him and it’ll be OK”.

Hubris apart, such thinking woefully misjudges Trump. He has not changed, and is not likely to, as the lies and lunacies of this past week have shown. What’s more, it assumes that Trump could ever be led to some kind of steady, consistent world view. He managed it for a few short minutes on Friday. But the evidence suggests Trump tends to agree with the last person he speaks to. Give it a few days or weeks, and he’ll happily say the exact opposite.

He is feeling special about Britain and Ter-raiser now, but just wait till he gets in a room with the one person for whom his admiration has been constant: Putin. Then we’ll see which relationship Trump sees as really special.
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Old Jan 28th 2017, 9:39 am
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Having held hands with one advocate of torture May is heading for Turkey to meet another who like Trump also does not believe in a free press.
Weasel words from Trump regardimg a trade deal when we finally exit the UK given that he will be a lame duck president by then defending his policies that will have done so much damage to the US economy and unity.

Paul Nuttal even further to the right of Farage, head of racist Ukip is also a supporter of torture.
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Paul Nuttal even further to the right of Farage, head of racist Ukip is also a supporter of torture.
Let's hope the good people of Stoke don't tolerate it. How can anyone defend voting UKIP with this at its head?

Ukip leader Paul Nuttall says he would 'probably be OK' with waterboarding | The Independent
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Old Jan 28th 2017, 1:57 pm
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Britain could have 'fast track back to EU' after Brexit, says European Parliament chief negotiator



What an idiot this clown is.

One moment he's spitting blood, trying to bully us and threatening to make us pay for leaving, the next he's Mr Nice Guy desperate for us to rejoin.

I reckon the main Eu recruitment centre must be the local lefty loony bin.


http://www.westmonster.com/europhile...oining-the-eu/

No means no. Leave means Leave. Except to the European Union, who have never been very good at accepting referendum results that don’t go their way.

We now have Guy Verhofstadt, the European Parliament’s chief Brexit negotiator, already scheming about how the UK could rejoin the EU.

This is utterly delusional stuff. As all of the polling shows that there is no Brexit regret and opposition to Brexit is going down, not up.

The British people have accepted the referendum result. So thanks for the offer Eurocrats, but we’ll be fine standing on our own two feet.

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Old Jan 28th 2017, 2:31 pm
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Well done Theresa May. You made Britain proud.

Germany is now urging the EU to quickly put the wraps on a dozen trade deals around the world in the aftermath of Brexit, discussions that have been dragging on for years. Ami said it takes five to ten years to fix a trade deal. It looks like it can be done in a lot less time if you want to, as I have said. During a meeting of EU finance ministers yesterday, German officials warned that the EU needed to act because of supposed threats posed by Brexit and Trump’s presidency. And here I am listening to you lot telling me the EU holds all the cards. Looks like the Germans are finally getting the picture. I wonder if this urgency will filter down to the other 26?

A German diplomatic source said ‘We think it is important that the 27 stick together and back up our belief, which is in free trade’. The same sources who tell the UK there will be no access to the single market for the UK (65 million consumer market and the biggest European trading partner for the EU) and who want to punish us for leaving if we do not agree to free movement. I wonder if these dozen trade deals will include free movement…?

Hey, Dick, wasn’t it Guy Verhofstadt who said to Davis, ‘Welcome to Hell’? Now tell me, who would want to re-join an organisation he describes as HELL? Who would want to belong to an organisation when a Member of the European Parliament describes their own organisation as HELL?
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The EU has proven time and time over that it couldn't really give a toss what those poorer, smaller countries want. It is not a union of equals, not by a long shot. If a post-Brexit Germany and France want Turkish accession to fill part of the hole left by the UK then it will happen one way or another.

I would suggest visiting Istanbul if you ever get the chance. It's a wonderful and welcoming city and I've found that it can really open your eyes to the kind of country that Turkey actually is.
Correct me if I am wrong, I thought for a new country to be added to EU that each member state had to vote whether to approve ?

Istanbul which I only know a little in passing maybe a wonderful place, doesn't make the people European, any more than Lebanon in the 1950's was European. Doesn't make them any better or worse, just a different culture and history.
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I haven't lived in the UK for over 28 years so I have no idea if the EU was a good or bad thing but obviously something happened. So what was it?
I suspect the refugees/migrants entering the EU and Merkel welcoming them was a tipping point for some but I suspect that alone wasn't the sole reason 17 million voted to leave.

Is the EU something like Walmart? Remember how they started off with the best intentions and have now become a giant and have become despised by many because of their demands and practices.
Want to unionize a store nope not gonna happen we will close the store.
Want to sell your products in our stores here are our terms and if you don't like them sell your products in other stores.

Im sure the EU has done good things but if they are perceived as out of touch and becoming what would be described as too dictatorship in their approach then they will lose customers just like Walmart have.
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You would have thought they would be grateful for it. It was the only moderately wealthy and militarily powerful predominately Islamic country that adopted peace, democracy, religious freedom, and western-style tolerance without having a rocket shoved up its arse by a US administration.

America only seemed to be interested in Turkey when it suited America and the EU just continues to stick its nose up in Turkey's general direction.
I don't know enough to comment on how the foreign relations were handled between US and Turkey, but I am struggling with the idea of Turkey as a tolerant country with its history the last 100 years. Starting with the Armenian genocide ( which the country doesn't still take much responsibility for), others during world war I and after, terrible discriminatory policies against remaining Greeks from 1930's through 1950's, the Kurds, and now the recent trends reverting to a more Islamic stance on issues.

Maybe for Turkey becoming more Islamic is a benefit for them, but I have a hard time believing policies of the West are the main or primary cause for people returning to the faith and practices of their ancestors. But I admit I don't have extensive experience nor interest in Turkey, and no disagreement as you know the city better that Istanbul may be a great city to visit.
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Well done Theresa May. You made Britain proud.

Germany is now urging the EU to quickly put the wraps on a dozen trade deals around the world in the aftermath of Brexit, discussions that have been dragging on for years. Ami said it takes five to ten years to fix a trade deal. It looks like it can be done in a lot less time if you want to, as I have said. During a meeting of EU finance ministers yesterday, German officials warned that the EU needed to act because of supposed threats posed by Brexit and Trump’s presidency. And here I am listening to you lot telling me the EU holds all the cards. Looks like the Germans are finally getting the picture. I wonder if this urgency will filter down to the other 26?

A German diplomatic source said ‘We think it is important that the 27 stick together and back up our belief, which is in free trade’. The same sources who tell the UK there will be no access to the single market for the UK (65 million consumer market and the biggest European trading partner for the EU) and who want to punish us for leaving if we do not agree to free movement. I wonder if these dozen trade deals will include free movement…?

Hey, Dick, wasn’t it Guy Verhofstadt who said to Davis, ‘Welcome to Hell’? Now tell me, who would want to re-join an organisation he describes as HELL? Who would want to belong to an organisation when a Member of the European Parliament describes their own organisation as HELL?
I admit I am trying to understand why Germany would want to impact its trade with UK on account of Polish and east European migrants under freedom of movement rules.

Frankly I would think smarter for UK to not invoke Article 50 until after French presidential election.
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I am struggling with the idea of Turkey as a tolerant country with its history the last 100 years. Starting with the Armenian genocide ( which the country doesn't still take much responsibility for), others during world war I and after, terrible discriminatory policies against remaining Greeks from 1930's through 1950's, the Kurds, and now the recent trends reverting to a more Islamic stance on issues.

Maybe for Turkey becoming more Islamic is a benefit for them, but I have a hard time believing policies of the West are the main or primary cause for people returning to the faith and practices of their ancestors.
As I see it, Turkey's governments have followed much the same path as Britain's insofar as each group has had a problem adjusting to its nation's post-imperial situation. Even today, British governments feel they have the right to interfere in the internal affairs of former colonies and protectorates; and so do Turkey's. One is as bad as the other, in that regard. Only the details are slightly different - and our perspectives, of course.
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I haven't lived in the UK for over 28 years so I have no idea if the EU was a good or bad thing but obviously something happened. So what was it?
I suspect the refugees/migrants entering the EU and Merkel welcoming them was a tipping point for some but I suspect that alone wasn't the sole reason 17 million voted to leave.
Their representatives on here didn't do a fantastic job of dispelling that notion.
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As I see it, Turkey's governments have followed much the same path as Britain's insofar as each group has had a problem adjusting to its nation's post-imperial situation. Even today, British governments feel they have the right to interfere in the internal affairs of former colonies and protectorates; and so do Turkey's. One is as bad as the other, in that regard. Only the details are slightly different - and our perspectives, of course.
Hadn't thought of it from that perspective. My only point by any common definition of constitutes a European nation, Turkey is simply not a European nation in my opinion.
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Hey, Dick, wasn’t it Guy Verhofstadt who said to Davis, ‘Welcome to Hell’? Now tell me, who would want to re-join an organisation he describes as HELL? Who would want to belong to an organisation when a Member of the European Parliament describes their own organisation as HELL?
I expect he may have heard that British people have a sense of humour and thought he'd indulge Davis in a little light banter to make him feel at home. Goodness knows where he got that idea from. He should have known that whatever he'd said, it would end up being filtered through the tabloid strainer and turned into a vicious threat from an unelected Brussels bully-boy to the long-suffering British nation.
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