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DigitalGhost Jan 27th 2017 8:41 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12163385)
What is best for the EU may not be what brexiters want, they will just have to accept it ...

Yes. I don't disagree with you.

DigitalGhost Jan 27th 2017 8:42 pm

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Originally Posted by mrken30 (Post 12163373)
The US will never make it easy to give up citizenship when it's a revenue stream for all USCs to pay taxes.

Yeah don't they charge for that now?

DigitalGhost Jan 27th 2017 8:44 pm

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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12163394)
I thought you said Turkey was a secular country?

Officially it is and I think of it as one but many other people do not. It is becoming far less secular under Erdogan though.

SultanOfSwing Jan 27th 2017 8:46 pm

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Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12163553)
Officially it is and I think of it as one but many other people do not. It is becoming far less secular under Erdogan though.

Attaturk would be spinning in his grave if he could see how far from his ideal for Turkey Erdogan is straying.

DigitalGhost Jan 27th 2017 8:51 pm

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12163557)
Attaturk would be spinning in his grave if he could see how far from his ideal for Turkey Erdogan is straying.

Erdogan is a real nasty son of a bitch although he is a son of a bitch at least partially of the EU's creation. After being repeatedly shunned by the west Turkey is now edging further backwards towards hardline Muslim nationalist territory and I don't think they can be entirely blamed for that.

Dick Dasterdly Jan 27th 2017 8:52 pm

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https://www.thelocal.de/20170120/my-...nance-minister

Oh dear,

:cry_smile::cry_smile::cry_smile:

SultanOfSwing Jan 27th 2017 8:53 pm

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Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12163562)
Erdogan is a real nasty son of a bitch although he is a son of a bitch at least partially of the EU's creation. After being repeatedly shunned by the west Turkey is now edging further backwards towards hardline Muslim nationalist territory and I don't think they can be entirely blamed for that.

No, they can't be blamed for that as you say. Certainly the West should have been much more thoughtful when it came to dealing with a 98% Muslim country who is able to represent itself as a secular state.

Lion in Winter Jan 27th 2017 9:01 pm

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12163566)
No, they can't be blamed for that as you say. Certainly the West should have been much more thoughtful when it came to dealing with a 98% Muslim country who is able to represent itself as a secular state.

It would be nice - and a lot more sensible - if we worked on bringing countries into the fold rather than marginalizing them and then complaining when they go the extremist route.

Dick Dasterdly Jan 27th 2017 9:03 pm

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Donald Trump and Theresa May caught holding hands in White House photo

Very cosy. ;)

I wonder if Trumpy is looking forward to holding hands with Merkel ? :rofl:

SultanOfSwing Jan 27th 2017 9:06 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12163573)
It would be nice - and a lot more sensible - if we worked on bringing countries into the fold rather than marginalizing them and then complaining when they go the extremist route.

That was a better way of putting what I was trying to say.

Turkey is a great example of western failure. It is a 98% Muslim country, as I said. Gateway to the Middle East in many ways and it was founded by Attaturk as a secular state and had maintained that until Erdogan started meddling in the 2000s. It should have been seen as a godsend (intentional pun) to the West.



Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12163578)
Donald Trump and Theresa May caught holding hands in White House photo

Very cosy. ;)

I wonder if Trumpy is looking forward to holding hands with Merkel ? :rofl:

I bet May had to use an entire bottle of Purell when he finally removed his clammy little appendage from her hand.

DigitalGhost Jan 27th 2017 9:58 pm

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12163566)
No, they can't be blamed for that as you say. Certainly the West should have been much more thoughtful when it came to dealing with a 98% Muslim country who is able to represent itself as a secular state.

You would have thought they would be grateful for it. It was the only moderately wealthy and militarily powerful predominately Islamic country that adopted peace, democracy, religious freedom, and western-style tolerance without having a rocket shoved up its arse by a US administration.

America only seemed to be interested in Turkey when it suited America and the EU just continues to stick its nose up in Turkey's general direction.

SultanOfSwing Jan 27th 2017 10:25 pm

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Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12163623)
You would have thought they would be grateful for it. It was the only moderately wealthy and militarily powerful predominately Islamic country that adopted peace, democracy, religious freedom, and western-style tolerance without having a rocket shoved up its arse by a US administration.

America only seemed to be interested in Turkey when it suited America and the EU just continues to stick its nose up in Turkey's general direction.

And if Turkey should (and I hope it doesn't) go the way of other Islamic countries in the region, it will be a monumental case of looking a gift horse in the mouth.

BristolUK Jan 28th 2017 12:41 am

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12163578)
Donald Trump and Theresa May caught...in White House photo

Given the other Teresa May (the one without the H) I misread that as another word.

P---o :rofl:

mikelincs Jan 28th 2017 5:38 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12163578)
Donald Trump and Theresa May caught holding hands in White House photo

Very cosy. ;)

I wonder if Trumpy is looking forward to holding hands with Merkel ? :rofl:

Probably holding his hand so it couldn't grab anywhere else... :rofl::rofl:

amideislas Jan 28th 2017 7:27 am

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Is Donald Trump ‘Mr. Brexit’?


And yet, to quote the English novelist Henry Fielding, this is “a very wholesome and comfortable doctrine, to which we have but one objection, namely, that it is not true.” In the case of Brexit, nonetheless, that “doctrine” has been driven home relentlessly for the last seven months by newspaper barons like Rupert Murdoch, the Barclay brothers (proprietors of The Daily Telegraph) and Paul Dacre (editor of The Daily Mail), whose outlets insist that the Brexit vote represents the “will of the people.” This narrative frames the slender (51.9 percent to 48.1 percent) majority as an “overwhelming” victory, and brands dissenters as sore-loser “Remoaners.”

At times the rhetoric has consequences. When a principled private citizen, Gina Miller, mounted a legal challenge against the government’s intention to implement Brexit without further consulting Parliament, she was forced to hire round-the-clock protection, while the judges who ruled in her favor were named and shamed as “enemies of the people” by The Daily Mail.

In the public sphere, then, one of Brexit’s immediate effects has been a discourse that insists on pitting the “elites” against “the people,” even though nobody is able to define what either term means.

For those on the right, elitism has nothing to do with wealth, because President Trump, his billionaire cabinet and his multibillionaire backers are on the side of the “people” and have won their victory precisely because they are against the elites, while in the British media world, Mr. Murdoch, the Barclays and Mr. Dacre, despite being insanely powerful, can also not be counted among the elites because they are constantly attacking them on the people’s behalf.

Meanwhile, in a magnificent feat of doublespeak, Mrs. May announced that this bizarre, insular, almost pathological act of self-harm marked the birth of “Global Britain,” a glimmering new era of dynamic trade deals, the first of which she has just traveled to Washington to dangle in front of President Trump, the arch-protectionist. Many fine words about the “special relationship” were exchanged, but on the whole her Washington adventure has left the impression of a country that, rather than having “taken back control” (to quote the Leave campaign’s tedious but effective mantra), is now in a distinctly weak negotiating position thanks to her newly minted commitment to the hardest of Brexits.


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