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Old Jun 24th 2016, 2:16 pm
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Old Jun 24th 2016, 2:16 pm
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This is not the UK I left, nor is it the one you left. It's more foreign to me now than the US ever was, in reflection. I'm quite irrationally sad today, made to feel this way by the country of my birth.

NI voted to stay in though, I suppose I have that grain of hope. For what it is.
I partly agree.

But it is also the UK I grew up in, with the neo-Nazis parading, the Saturday-night "Paki bashing" - and equally, the response of normal, decent people to shut it down. It is always possible for the unscrupulous to whip up the fear of foreigners and general nastiness, unfortunately. But I am angry and embarrassed today, explaining this garbage to my American colleagues here at work. Not proud at all today. And yes, sad.

However, giving up is out of the question. These idiots cannot have my country.
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Old Jun 24th 2016, 2:18 pm
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Bunting. We need bunting.

Really though, how can people possibly have been so gullible?
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Old Jun 24th 2016, 2:19 pm
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Well, the immigration argument was just a red herring anyway. I have to suspect that deregulation of the UK's single most powerful business sector has more than just a minor influence here (well, London's largest sector, which is effectively the single most prominent offering the UK has in the global market moving forward)

Nonetheless, the UK will survive, even if this truly marks the final end to the "empire", and renders a more realistic and proportional global "footprint" than it's historically held.

I really hope the UK can now focus on itself and get out of Europe altogether, rather than spending so much energy fearing and inhibiting Europe. But we won't be leaving anytime soon, so that's probably wishful thinking.

We shall see.
Immigration is what it is. Staying in or leaving, it wouldn't have changed anything, so I suppose Flange will have to find something else to be scared of now.

As far as everything else goes - I still feel the UK would have been better served staying in and taking a greater role within the EU, rather than just running away and hoping it lands on its feet.

Maybe it will, but maybe it won't. Maybe the EU will finally get the formula right and now the UK will be left behind because it jumped ship early instead of getting its hands dirty and fixing it.
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I partly agree.

But it is also the UK I grew up in, with the neo-Nazis parading, the Saturday-night "Paki bashing" - and equally, the response of normal, decent people to shut it down. It is always possible for the unscrupulous to whip up the fear of foreigners and general nastiness, unfortunately. But I am angry and embarrassed today, explaining this garbage to my American colleagues here at work. Not proud at all today. And yes, sad.

However, giving up is out of the question. These idiots cannot have my country.
I was quite surprised to feel as sad as I did. Hey ho, shit happens, life goes on although if Johnson somehow becomes PM I might be tempted to give up.
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Old Jun 24th 2016, 2:24 pm
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I partly agree.

But it is also the UK I grew up in, with the neo-Nazis parading, the Saturday-night "Paki bashing" - and equally, the response of normal, decent people to shut it down. It is always possible for the unscrupulous to whip up the fear of foreigners and general nastiness, unfortunately. But I am angry and embarrassed today, explaining this garbage to my American colleagues here at work. Not proud at all today. And yes, sad.

However, giving up is out of the question. These idiots cannot have my country.
I was largely isolated from that in NI. We didn't have a lot of colonial immigrants that I remember. A lot of Chinese settled in NI though and I think for the most part we treated them well.

Yes, I may have grew up in a corner of the UK where we had our own unique brand of problems, but when it came down to it, I still got the sense that we were all 'in it together', especially in the post 'ceasefire' years as I reached adulthood.

Leaving the EU like this, over fear of intangibles - that isn't the Britain that was once the most powerful nation on the planet. It is weak, cowardly. Again, just disappointing.
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I was quite surprised to feel as sad as I did. Hey ho, shit happens, life goes on although if Johnson somehow becomes PM I might be tempted to give up.
What, you don't think that Boris has the interests of "ordinary people" at heart? Well I never.

No giving up though.
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I was largely isolated from that in NI. We didn't have a lot of colonial immigrants that I remember. A lot of Chinese settled in NI though and I think for the most part we treated them well.

Yes, I may have grew up in a corner of the UK where we had our own unique brand of problems, but when it came down to it, I still got the sense that we were all 'in it together', especially in the post 'ceasefire' years as I reached adulthood.

Leaving the EU like this, over fear of intangibles - that isn't the Britain that was once the most powerful nation on the planet. It is weak, cowardly. Again, just disappointing.
Agreed all round.
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Old Jun 24th 2016, 2:27 pm
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I was quite surprised to feel as sad as I did. Hey ho, shit happens, life goes on although if Johnson somehow becomes PM I might be tempted to give up.
B...b....b...but he's anti-establishment! Surely he's got to be better than the EU dictatorship and the elites.
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B...b....b...but he's anti-establishment! Surely he's got to be better than the EU dictatorship and the elites.
He has the best interests of ordinary people at heart.

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He has the best interests of ordinary people at heart.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...25_634x489.jpg
Wow, we have photographic evidence that he also had access to a comb at one point as well.

Look at those bloody toffs. I bet he's eaten his share of digestives, though ...
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Luckily for us, British tourism accounts for a mere fraction of tourism revenues here, so the inevitable decline of it will only have a limited effect.

Fortunately, Germans should still have reasonably respectable disposable income, so I doubt that segment will be affected much. Besides, they don't share the same fear of foreigners, so it doesn't "scare" them to go abroad.

Although it's ironic that the scariest place around here is Magaluf.

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Will that still be the case after they are left single handed to bail out the rest of the EU?
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I bet he's eaten his share of digestives, though ...
Eton boy. I think it's part of the curriculum there.
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Eton boy. I think it's part of the curriculum there.
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Old Jun 24th 2016, 2:56 pm
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Immigration is what it is. Staying in or leaving, it wouldn't have changed anything, so I suppose Flange will have to find something else to be scared of now.

As far as everything else goes - I still feel the UK would have been better served staying in and taking a greater role within the EU, rather than just running away and hoping it lands on its feet.

Maybe it will, but maybe it won't. Maybe the EU will finally get the formula right and now the UK will be left behind because it jumped ship early instead of getting its hands dirty and fixing it.
Oh, me too. The best place for Britain to be right now is inside. Period. But Brits just aren't in the mood at the moment. Besides, the UK would have eventually left anyway, albeit on far less adverse terms.

But OK, we voted for it. Now live with it.
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