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la mancha Nov 8th 2016 6:08 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 12098838)
Yes - indeed.

Compromise is what we're talking about on this thread now and this is a good example of one. Those who would want to take this up could and those who wouldn't want to wouldn't have to.

However not everybody agrees for some reason...



What's it got to do with them?:confused:


This is something I think we can all agree on, if it is as it seems. I cannot see why Brexit campaigners are against this, unless there is something else involved not in the article. I don’t see how this can discriminate against Leave voters. We haven’t been branded. But how can they justify this if we do not allow FOM? Not that I am complaining. Maybe they need/want/like us. Go figure.

jimenato Nov 8th 2016 6:27 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12098841)
I have mentioned this on several previous occasions but as it's come up again, I'll say it again.

There is no direct and exclusive correlation between Remain and the political left. The only people who think there is are the most right wing of the Tory Party or Kippers.

Even the most moderate of Tories these days could never be classed as left - they have drifted far from the social democratic Conservatives of times gone by, who would always previously have been classed as right of centre anyway. A substantial proportion of Remainers (including a number of posters on here) are confirmed Tories and would never dream of voting anything else.

The whole idea that Remain is more of a left wing thing is as absurd as suggesting that the EU is at all socialist - it clearly isn't and in fact panders very strongly to neoliberalism in terms of both politics and economics.
...

I agree - the Brexit issue has little to do with left and right.

The majority of Conservative MPs were remainers. I would class myself as centre (or slightly right of).

sir_eccles Nov 8th 2016 6:27 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

jimenato Nov 8th 2016 6:29 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by la mancha (Post 12098850)
This is something I think we can all agree on, if it is as it seems. I cannot see why Brexit campaigners are against this, unless there is something else involved not in the article. I don’t see how this can discriminate against Leave voters. We haven’t been branded. But how can they justify this if we do not allow FOM? Not that I am complaining. Maybe they need/want/like us. Go figure.

I wonder what the chances are of this actually happening.

DaveLovesDee Nov 8th 2016 7:46 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 12098791)
Well now everyone can be happy!

European Parliament considers plan to let individual Brits opt-in to keep their EU citizenship | The Independent



This is actually a rather sensible compromise.

It is. And I'm willing to bet that UKIP and Tory MEPs vote against it. Plus their allies in the EP, and anyone the UK's pissed off enough.

I'm liking this response...


“Brexit means laws which impact the people of the UK will be created by accountable politicians in Westminster. It is totally unacceptable for certain citizens in the UK to subject themselves to laws which are created by politicians who are not accountable the British people as a whole. Discriminating against people based on their political views shows there are no depths the EU will not sink to.”
If I choose to accept those rules am am willing to pay the charge, surely I can make my own decision.

Controlling immigration for the Tories doesn't just involve preventing the free movement of foreigners, but of controlling the free movement of UK nationals as well.


Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 12098874)
I wonder what the chances are of this actually happening.

Call me cynical, but not if the Tories and UKIP have enough influence....

morpeth Nov 8th 2016 8:22 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 12098838)
Yes - indeed.

Compromise is what we're talking about on this thread now and this is a good example of one. Those who would want to take this up could and those who wouldn't want to wouldn't have to.

However not everybody agrees for some reason...



What's it got to do with them?:confused:

I have same question, why would someone disagree with people choosing to keep "associate membership " ?

Fredbargate Nov 8th 2016 8:27 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 12098791)
Well now everyone can be happy!

European Parliament considers plan to let individual Brits opt-in to keep their EU citizenship | The Independent



This is actually a rather sensible compromise.

I wonder how much each individual will have to contribute to the EU budget?

Will those with gardens or allotments be entitled to refunds under the Common Agriculture Program?

What will be their individual responsibility to FOM and refugee resettlement?

Will they be required to use the Euro currency?

Etc. etc. etc.

.

paulry Nov 8th 2016 8:33 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 12098871)
I agree - the Brexit issue has little to do with left and right.

The majority of Conservative MPs were remainers. I would class myself as centre (or slightly right of).

In recent years, throughout the western developed nations there has been a slide to the left on most issues.

Nocookies | The Australian

Dick Dasterdly Nov 8th 2016 8:36 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 
The Uk Parliament voted by a massive majority in the ratio of Six to One in favour of a referendum deciding future membership of the Eu.

The Uk govt made a firm promise to implement the decision of the British people.

The point I am making is that it doesn't take Einstein to work out that apart from the Euro sceptics, the majority of those MPs in favour of remaining in the Eu clearly must have voted for, approved of and been happy for the issue of Eu membership to be decided by the Referendum.

Big Shame we can't identify them all individually, in order to expose their total hypocrisy.

Hypocracy which indeed is reflected by those members of BE who never uttered a single word of complaint about the Referendum prior to the vote, but are now making total Rsoles of themselves, endlessly bellyaching on, because they didn't get the result they wanted and expected.

:cool:

paulry Nov 8th 2016 8:37 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 12098791)
Well now everyone can be happy!

European Parliament considers plan to let individual Brits opt-in to keep their EU citizenship | The Independent



This is actually a rather sensible compromise.

Yer dreaming. :flypig::flypig: It aint ganna happen. ;) That'll have other nations rushing for the door! :fingerscrossed:

Dick Dasterdly Nov 8th 2016 8:39 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12098996)
In recent years, throughout the western developed nations there has been a slide to the left on most issues.

Nocookies | The Australian

Except in most of the Eu countries where the trend is now strongly towards the right.

Once again, it doesn't need Einstein to figure out why.

:cool:

amideislas Nov 8th 2016 8:40 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 12098871)
I agree - the Brexit issue has little to do with left and right.

The majority of Conservative MPs were remainers. I would class myself as centre (or slightly right of).

+1

paulry Nov 8th 2016 8:40 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by morpeth (Post 12098984)
I have same question, why would someone disagree with people choosing to keep "associate membership " ?

You mean where the UK takes the perks but accepts none of the pain?

Novocastrian Nov 8th 2016 8:43 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12099001)
Yer dreaming. :flypig::flypig: It aint ganna happen. ;) That'll have other nations rushing for the door! :fingerscrossed:

There aren't likely to be any other nations rushing to the door. And if there were that idea would stop them.

Get over it, the EU will do fine without the UK. The opposite is not true.

amideislas Nov 8th 2016 8:44 pm

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This

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12099004)
Except in most of the Eu countries where the trend is now strongly towards the right.

Once again, it doesn't need Einstein to figure out why.

:cool:

Perhaps, although most of it is perception as opposed to reality. It's not really a right-left issue. The lines between them are now blurry.

For example, the battle cry of the right sounds suspiciously like the left of yesteryear, while the battle cries of the left sound suspiciously like the right of yesteryear.

Victory is all that matters now. This has little to do with logic or what's best. It has everything to do with ideology, even if it means abandoning the ideology to achieve a victory.


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