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EMR Oct 29th 2016 9:38 am

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12090338)
Romania tells EU - stop asking us for cash and make some yourselves! | World | News | Daily Express

Good point.

Sadly it will never happen.

The parasites in Brussels will continue to sit back and live in luxury paying themselves as much as three times the wages of those in equivalent jobs elsewhere,
whilst those in the poorer countries struggle to survive under harsh Eu imposed austerity measures.

Socialism Eu style.

What a wonderful example.

NOT. :thumbdown:


Which has got SFA to do with brexit unless your deep anti EU paranoia has still not adjusted to the thought that the UK may one day brexit.

DaveLovesDee Oct 29th 2016 9:45 am

re: Post EU Referendum
 
Yes, the EU could raise more money from customs dues aand tariffs as the gentleman suggests. But that would make non-EU made products cost more.

Then again, the EU did try to do as suggested in the last 2 years over Chinese steel, but this was vetoed by the UK.


those in the poorer countries struggle to survive under harsh Eu imposed austerity measures.
The EU hasn't imposed austerity. National governments did.

Dick Dasterdly Oct 29th 2016 9:49 am

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12090347)



The EU hasn't imposed austerity. National governments did.


Austerity Measures in the EU - - A Country by Country Table

Austerity Measures in the EU - - A Country by Country Table Print Email
By Jennifer Pietras
According to the European Union’s Maastricht criteria, EU member states may not have a budget deficit that exceeds three percent of their Gross Domestic Product (GDP) or a national debt that exceeds of sixty percent of the GDP. Listed below are the EU states’ 2009 government budget deficits as percentages of GDP, their official predicted future government budget deficit as a percent of GDP. Also listed is the national debt as a percentage of GDP for 2009.


https://www.socialeurope.eu/2016/03/...onomy-numbers/

"How Austerity Has Crippled The European Economy – In Numbers"

"The European Commission’s rhetoric and the accompanying policy measures suggest no awareness of either the depth of the problems or the extent of policy change required to tackle them. There has been a verbal recognition that past policies have failed and that a big change is needed if GDP and employment growth are to be restored and maintained, but this has led only to half-hearted and uncoordinated responses."

amideislas Oct 29th 2016 9:54 am

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Thanks for pointing that out Dave...

Unfortunately, the truth has never mattered to the leave camp, just as truth doesn't matter to the Trump camp. They are brethren in that respect.

But you know, the truth eventually comes out. And as long as they keep living in this delusional bubble, the less prepared they'll be when the truth emerges. I expect when it does, there will be a small explosion that wakes them up, then steady decline afterward. And guess whose fault that's going to be? (or perhaps better said as "Guess whose fault it won't be?")

DaveLovesDee Oct 29th 2016 9:56 am

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12090351)
Austerity Measures in the EU - - A Country by Country Table

Austerity Measures in the EU - - A Country by Country Table Print Email
By Jennifer Pietras
According to the European Union’s Maastricht criteria, EU member states may not have a budget deficit that exceeds three percent of their Gross Domestic Product (GDP) or a national debt that exceeds of sixty percent of the GDP. Listed below are the EU states’ 2009 government budget deficits as percentages of GDP, their official predicted future government budget deficit as a percent of GDP. Also listed is the national debt as a percentage of GDP for 2009.


https://www.socialeurope.eu/2016/03/...onomy-numbers/

Thanks, Dick.

The EU should kick out those countries running deficits greater than the rules allow :cool:

Red Eric Oct 29th 2016 11:57 am

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As a matter of fact, Dick's right on this. The EU, and more particularly the Eurozone rules and administration, are forcing national governments into imposing so-called "austerity measures", even when those governments agree to comply with the targets but propose alternative ways of achieving them.

I quite like Dick The Socialist, by the way. He's a much easier read than Dick the Dick ;)

Dick Dasterdly Oct 29th 2016 12:10 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12090381)
As a matter of fact, Dick's right on this. The EU, and more particularly the Eurozone rules and administration, are forcing national governments into imposing so-called "austerity measures", even when those governments agree to comply with the targets but propose alternative ways of achieving them.

I quite like Dick The Socialist, by the way. He's a much easier read than Dick the Dick ;)


Possibly the most ridiculous part about it has been the Eu attempt to impose financial penalties on countries that already clearly can't make ends meet and hardly have a cent to scratch their backsides.

Red Eric Oct 29th 2016 12:11 pm

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12090383)
Possibly the most ridiculous part about it has been the Eu attempt to impose financial penalties on countries that already clearly can't make ends meet and hardly have a cent to scratch their backsides.

Which are those then, Dick?

Dick Dasterdly Oct 29th 2016 12:14 pm

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Brexit: UK economic performance defies dire predictions of Project Fear campaign | UK | News | Daily Express

Five remoaner scare stories that have already ended up in shreds. :cool:


I'm sure they will continue to invent more, until such time as they also are disproven. :cool:

Dick Dasterdly Oct 29th 2016 12:22 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12090385)
Which are those then, Dick?

https://www.thepressproject.gr/details_en.php?aid=97479


"The Eu commission Starts Deficit Penalties on Spain, Portugal.

The European Commission decided to begin formal disciplinary procedures against Spain and Portugal on Thursday for their excessive deficits in 2014 and 2015, which may lead to fines for the two countries before the end of July. Both countries argued sanctions should not be imposed for various reasons."

The Eu later dropped their ridiculous and pointless counter productive threats and meanwhile haven't the faintest clue what to do next.

:cool:

Red Eric Oct 29th 2016 12:31 pm

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Weeeell.... they dropped the idea of imposing fines but carried on with a suggestion that structural funds could be withheld as a sanction. Then there was this democratic vote in the parliament in which MEPs demonstrated solid opposition to that idea. And your arch-villain has long been speaking up for a lenient line to be taken on this matter - he also highlighted the hypocrisy of the larger member states being allowed to get away with non-compliance without the threat of sanctions. And he also speaks up for member states to be given greater freedom in determining how they will achieve their targets.

It is still being dangled as a threat, though (as it was all along) in order to try to get both governments "on track" with next year's budgets.

All a bit of a long way from Brexit though. The UK was never subject to this sort of pressure, nor would it ever have been.

EMR Oct 29th 2016 12:35 pm

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12090388)
Brexit: UK economic performance defies dire predictions of Project Fear campaign | UK | News | Daily Express

Five remoaner scare stories that have already ended up in shreds. :cool:


I'm sure they will continue to invent more, until such time as they also are disproven. :cool:

Your memory must be going, you keep posting the same links from the Express and every time are reminded that brexit has yet to happen.
Have you considered therapy, I am su re your ocd is curable, , but only if you go cold turkey and stop believing Express headlines.
There may be hope for you yet.

EMR Oct 29th 2016 12:38 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12090390)
https://www.thepressproject.gr/details_en.php?aid=97479


"The Eu commission Starts Deficit Penalties on Spain, Portugal.

The European Commission decided to begin formal disciplinary procedures against Spain and Portugal on Thursday for their excessive deficits in 2014 and 2015, which may lead to fines for the two countries before the end of July. Both countries argued sanctions should not be imposed for various reasons."

The Eu later dropped their ridiculous and pointless counter productive threats and meanwhile haven't the faintest clue what to do next.

:cool:


You obviously do not read your own posts.
Read the last sentence.
The EU dropped these measures, the rest is just your typical anti Eu paranoia.

la mancha Oct 29th 2016 1:12 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12090314)
la mancha seemed perfectly content, in a post a day or two back, with the notion of the UK paying a fee for access (I assume partial?) to the single market.

I thought it a bit odd for the same reason, given that it would break at least 2 of what I thought were the aims of Brexit.

The aim of Brexit is to leave the EU, not Europe. However we leave is subject to negotiation. If we have to pay into the EU to trade with European nations, then so be it. Such a system will not only help UK business but also Eurozone businesses and employment, for without the UK market to buy their goods, in the case of recession here, there will be another crisis in the Eurozone on top of the one from eight years ago they have still not got over. Eurogeddon beckons. Take it or leave it. Either way we will leave the EU.

I hear that besides Nissan, both Toyota and Ford have pledged to keep operations in the UK no matter the outcome with Brexit.

Red Eric Oct 29th 2016 1:29 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by la mancha (Post 12090421)
Take it or leave it. Either way we will leave the EU.

One of those ways will have the UK paying a fee (£350m a week, anyone?) to trade in those areas of the single market to which it wishes to retain access and following the rules with regard to that or those sectors. And possibly more besides (for example, could the UK be active in some or all sectors of the single market and not be subject to at least some rulings by the ECJ?)

Which will surely not be to the liking of all Leavers, who insisted during the referendum campaign that, aside from immigration, it was precisely those sorts of things that they would be voting against. That's why the sudden about-face is a bit puzzling to me.


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