Originally Posted by jimenato

...and while we're at it the 'win' was gotten by unfair (in fact criminal it would seem - the police are involved) deception. I have no idea how people were taken in by it but they were. Are you happy with that style of democracy?

Originally Posted by paulry

I'm not happy with the one sided-ness of it all. Remainers are crying foul over half a million of overspend. But what about the £9m of public money that was spent on the pro-EU leaflets delivered to every household in the UK? Not to mention the establishment throwing everything available to it (from Prime Ministers both past and present, Presidents, business leaders, etc) in their campaign against Leave. Are you happy about that?

Originally Posted by jimenato

As far as I am aware no rules or laws were broken by the remain side but they were by the leave side. And they are continuing to lie about it as well Gisela Stuart is saying that they weren't questioned about any of the accusations but the (independent) electoral commission is saying they were but refused to cooperate.

Your so-called 'win' is illegal.

Of course I doubt anything significant will be done about - the voting public don't matter.

What about my other question...

...which is much more important.

Originally Posted by paulry

I'd be okay with a standard trade deal provided full secession from the EU is achieved and Britain's independence is not compromised in any way. Something like the Canadian deal might be the kind of thing to go for. But failing that, the country can go over to WTO rules.

There have also been laws broken by Remain, but everyone is quiet about those:
https://www.ft.com/content/2f91721d-...f-4453897183c8

And of course the media bias against Brexit has been staggering. While no laws were broken, the consistent Remain skew is morally unacceptable:
News-Watch
Civitas paper lays bare 18 years of BBC anti Brexit bias News-Watch

Originally Posted by Red Eric

Where do you get this stuff from?

Originally Posted by paulry

They voted to become a 100% self governing nation state again, like the overwhelming majority of other countries around the world.

Originally Posted by paulry

There have also been laws broken by Remain, but everyone is quiet about those:
https://www.ft.com/content/2f91721d-...f-4453897183c8

And of course the media bias against Brexit has been staggering. While no laws were broken, the consistent Remain skew is morally unacceptable:
News-Watch
Civitas paper lays bare 18 years of BBC anti Brexit bias News-Watch

Originally Posted by paulry

The mess that politicians have made of the decision to leave is quite breathtaking. I don't believe it's incompetence, its far simpler than that. It's because a Remainer was appointed to deliver Leave. Her heart was never in it, she surrounded herself by and trusted people who were Remainers resulting in her attempting to deliver a Remain kind of Leave. AKA a "soft Brexit". It's astonishing that she seems to think she can get away with it. And I bet the ramped up preparations to leave with no "deal" that she unveiled along with the white paper is another betrayal: Just words, no actions.

Originally Posted by Red Eric

Ain't democracy a bitch? I guess you'll just have to stop crying in your porridge and suck it up, Buttercup.

Originally Posted by EMR

Government wins vote with threat of no confidence motion if defeated..

Originally Posted by Annetje

Government wins vote because Labour Mp's voted with the Government ...

Originally Posted by EMR

Not according to UK political reports.
Government majority of just 6.

Originally Posted by Annetje

Next quotes from Guardian life blog of todays happenings :

The Tory Brexiter, Nadine Dorries, accused pro-EU MPs in her own party of playing a “dangerous game” that could have brought down the government today. In that case, the third reading of the Trade Bill would have been “pulled”, with a confidence vote called tomorrow, she said.

Next quote from R. Corbett (MEP) on Twitter :

I’m disgusted at @KateHoeyMP @frankfieldteam, @JohnMannMP , Graham Stringer MP & Kelvin Hopkins MP - not just for voting today to save @TheresaMay but also for backing a hard #Brexit damaging our economy, destroying jobs & undermining rights.

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Originally Posted by EMR

It is a BBC report that conservative rebels were threatened with a vote of no confidence if they defeated the motion..

Originally Posted by Annetje

They were threatened (1 changed his mind) but what swayed the vote were the Labour rebels.

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Originally Posted by paulry

I'd be okay with a standard trade deal provided full secession from the EU is achieved and Britain's independence is not compromised in any way. Something like the Canadian deal might be the kind of thing to go for. But failing that, the country can go over to WTO rules.