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amideislas May 22nd 2018 5:50 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12503252)
If they did then they wouldn't try to stitch eachother up as often as they do. If the EU is like a family relationship between nations then it is a highly disfunctional relationship at best and just inherently toxic at worst.

Ahh, back to the old hope that the EU could collapse at any moment. I thought that left the room about the same time as our misspelt cartoon character. But I reckon old habits die hard.

Hey, how's that Brexit thing going? Have you rid yourself of that inferior pit of despair yet?

Red Eric May 22nd 2018 6:29 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12503252)
If they did then they wouldn't try to stitch eachother up as often as they do. If the EU is like a family relationship between nations then it is a highly disfunctional relationship at best and just inherently toxic at worst.

"Stitch each other up as often as they do" - could we have some examples of the sort of thing you're talking about there, please? (And could you leave aside anything to do with refugees for the purposes of this question).

Thanks :thumbup:

amideislas May 22nd 2018 6:49 am

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Sounds like a daily express narrative. Entertainment, not journalism. But it's easy to confuse the two, especially when "entertainment" is presented as "journalism".

DigitalGhost May 22nd 2018 7:27 am

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Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12503396)
"Stitch each other up as often as they do" - could we have some examples of the sort of thing you're talking about there, please? (And could you leave aside anything to do with refugees for the purposes of this question).

Thanks :thumbup:

No because you know full well that some EU countries have tried to do each other over when it comes to that particular very serious problem.

DigitalGhost May 22nd 2018 7:30 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Annetje (Post 12503361)
but you, Brexiteers from the island (England for Englanders) will never ever understand what the EU is all about.

Then surely that's as good a reason as any for the UK to just call it quits. We probably should never have joined in the first place and definitely don't fit in these days now that the EU is moving towards increasing federalism.

Annetje May 22nd 2018 7:46 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12503428)
Then surely that's as good a reason as any for the UK to just call it quits. We probably should never have joined in the first place and definitely don't fit in these days now that the EU is moving towards increasing federalism.

Indeed, when you came begging to join the EU being the sick man of Europe, they should never have taken pitty ...

DaveLovesDee May 22nd 2018 7:51 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12502269)
The way they appoint the EU president is far from being transparent and wholly democratic. There is also a bit of a blackhole when it comes to MEP
accountability towards their constituents.

Exactly how do you understand the EU President is appointed? And where is it not transparent and not democratic?

What reasons do you have for suggesting MEPs are not accountable to their constituents?


Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12503428)
Then surely that's as good a reason as any for the UK to just call it quits. We probably should never have joined in the first place and definitely don't fit in these days now that the EU is moving towards increasing federalism.

Reason? Don't you mean an excuse?

Maybe we shouldn't have joined the EU, but then there'd be a hard border with RoI because they joined and we didn't, and the Good Friday Agreement provision for a continued open border would have been almost impossible to negotiate.

Increasing Federalism? Are you referring to the 'ever closer union' that the UK had secured yet another opt-out from?

Bipat May 22nd 2018 7:58 am

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Originally Posted by Annetje (Post 12503433)
Indeed, when you came begging to join the EU being the sick man of Europe, they should never have taken pitty ...

UK "came begging", to join the EEC----a difference.

amideislas May 22nd 2018 8:03 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12503428)
Then surely that's as good a reason as any for the UK to just call it quits. We probably should never have joined in the first place and definitely don't fit in these days now that the EU is moving towards increasing federalism.

That's one point we agree on. England has never been keen on being a part of anything else (unless it's in charge of it). And it definitely isn't in charge of the EU, and never will be. They're all foreigners, after all.

Personally, despite the unfortunate consequences for Britain, and the handful of irritations the EU will endure, I believe in the long run, the EU will be much better off without a deluded, isolationist member with a veto.

England? Well, the upside is that it can still be in charge of its island (well, part of it, probably).
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la mancha May 22nd 2018 8:13 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Annetje (Post 12503433)
Indeed, when you came begging to join the EU being the sick man of Europe, they should never have taken pitty ...

The EEC, not the EU, a completely different animal.

DaveLovesDee May 22nd 2018 8:13 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12503443)
England? Well, the upside is that it can still be in charge of its island (well, part of it, probably).
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Well, 3/4's of it. And only if they keep the DUP happy in the other 1/4. #TakingBackControl

la mancha May 22nd 2018 8:17 am

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It amazes me how some Brits on here talk about Brit arrogance as if it is nothing to do with them. Either you are a Brit or you are not. We are all in the same boat as far as others see us.

Annetje May 22nd 2018 8:41 am

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Originally Posted by la mancha (Post 12503456)
It amazes me how some Brits on here talk about Brit arrogance as if it is nothing to do with them. Either you are a Brit or you are not. We are all in the same boat as far as others see us.

I think, at the moment it is : Either you're a Brexiteer or you are not ..... The others see 2 boats.

DigitalGhost May 22nd 2018 8:46 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Annetje (Post 12503433)
Indeed, when you came begging to join the EU being the sick man of Europe, they should never have taken pitty ...

Well I didn't. My parents were only kids themselves back then.

DigitalGhost May 22nd 2018 8:47 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by la mancha (Post 12503451)
The EEC, not the EU, a completely different animal.

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That too. An awful lot has changed since then.


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