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Lion in Winter Mar 19th 2018 12:58 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12465703)
I accept that some part of UK politics will want to remove some parts of existing EU laws - perhaps they see that as improving the lot of the average person and just have a different perspective as how to do that than you do.

If you don't think their ideas are correct you can vote for a party with a different perspective.


So undoing rights we already have, obtained perfectly democratically, and then hoping that some party of the future will run on a platform of reinstalling them so that we can vote for them.

Talk about running to stand still. In fact, most of the work towards an agreement seems to be about running to stand still. Totally unnecessary self-inflicted injury.

SultanOfSwing Mar 19th 2018 1:15 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by macliam (Post 12464403)
What's the pension if you're dead? The health cover's probably pretty bad too.....

I wouldn't even know where to start with that :lol:

Shard Mar 19th 2018 5:26 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12465623)
If a government does abolish the working time directive, Brits are fully able to vote for a different government that will reinstate it. It's called democracy.

But we won't. Leaving the EU is a change of values. To get the spoils of the great global marketplace that the Brexiteers bang on about we'll have to start cutting some mean deals. Our new friends will be the Americans, Chinese and Indians, they'll be investing and have their own ideas about how things are done. Work/life balance and long holidays will slowly become something that is only afforded to those protectionist Europeans.

Cape Blue Mar 19th 2018 5:50 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12465884)
But we won't. Leaving the EU is a change of values. To get the spoils of the great global marketplace that the Brexiteers bang on about we'll have to start cutting some mean deals. Our new friends will be the Americans, Chinese and Indians, they'll be investing and have their own ideas about how things are done. Work/life balance and long holidays will slowly become something that is only afforded to those protectionist Europeans.

Then you appear to be saying that the majority of the UK don't have the same values as you and in order to get your minority values encoded in law you want the EU to do it against the democratic wishes of the UK majority?

If the majority of the UK did agree with you they'd be no problems as you would vote in a government that would not make those changes.

amideislas Mar 19th 2018 6:01 pm

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He said nothing of the kind. And your premise that the EU wants to undermine democracy is simply false.

Britain is leaving. Full stop. Whether it leaves, or just leaves "in name" remains to be seen, but in either case, there's no upside for anyone. And that's no longer a point of debate. The only debate left is how to minimise the damage. And the UK will be consumed with that for at least a decade.

Oh, and there's no evidence that the "majority" of the UK favours Brexit or what they now know is the consequences of it.

DaveLovesDee Mar 19th 2018 11:20 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12465904)
He said nothing of the kind. And your premise that the EU wants to undermine democracy is simply false.

Britain is leaving. Full stop. Whether it leaves, or just leaves "in name" remains to be seen, but in either case, there's no upside for anyone. And that's no longer a point of debate. The only debate left is how to minimise the damage. And the UK will be consumed with that for at least a decade.

Oh, and there's no evidence that the "majority" of the UK favours Brexit or what they now know is the consequences of it.

And, as was put forward by a politician in the run-up to last year's general election,


"What happened in the referendum is that people voted for departure. They were unable to vote on destination because it was not made clear."

EMR Mar 19th 2018 11:49 pm

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Just watched a very unhappy smog on newsnight clinging to the hope that the final agreement will be no agreement.
Mays latest statement on the status of the Irish border has certainly unsettled the ultra brexiters in the Tory party.
Farage must be choking on his 5 or 8th pint.

EMR Mar 19th 2018 11:49 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 
Just watched a very unhappy smog on newsnight clinging to the hope that the final agreement will be no agreement.
Mays latest statement on the status of the Irish border has certainly unsettled the ultra brexiters in the Tory party.
Farage must be choking on his 5 or 8th pint.

Shard Mar 20th 2018 12:00 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12465897)
Then you appear to be saying that the majority of the UK don't have the same values as you and in order to get your minority values encoded in law you want the EU to do it against the democratic wishes of the UK majority?

If the majority of the UK did agree with you they'd be no problems as you would vote in a government that would not make those changes.

The majority of the UK are clueless in matters of international trade and sovereignty. If we Brexit and pull away from the EU, many of the citizens disgruntled with the EU foreigners will be equally disgruntled with the global foreigners. Saying that it can all be resolved by electing a new government disregards the hard choices that will have to be made.

Cape Blue Mar 20th 2018 7:29 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12466111)
The majority of the UK are clueless in matters of international trade and sovereignty. If we Brexit and pull away from the EU, many of the citizens disgruntled with the EU foreigners will be equally disgruntled with the global foreigners. Saying that it can all be resolved by electing a new government disregards the hard choices that will have to be made.

Makes you wonder why we give these proles the vote.

Cape Blue Mar 20th 2018 7:44 am

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12466105)
Just watched a very unhappy smog on newsnight clinging to the hope that the final agreement will be no agreement.
Mays latest statement on the status of the Irish border has certainly unsettled the ultra brexiters in the Tory party.
Farage must be choking on his 5 or 8th pint.

Yes, the EU's authoritarianism, blackmail and naked land-grab on the subject is enough to make anyone choke on their pint. Even a future Knight of the Realm. ;)

Red Eric Mar 20th 2018 8:45 am

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A picture editor at the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation having a bit of fun here - who do you reckon looks more comfortable out of these two? :lol: :

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cp...m100480568.jpg

Red Eric Mar 20th 2018 8:54 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12465884)
But we won't. Leaving the EU is a change of values. To get the spoils of the great global marketplace that the Brexiteers bang on about we'll have to start cutting some mean deals. Our new friends will be the Americans, Chinese and Indians, they'll be investing and have their own ideas about how things are done. Work/life balance and long holidays will slowly become something that is only afforded to those protectionist Europeans.

Yep. Chip away at things bit by bit. Do a bit of softening up first - present holidays as the enemies of the people and only actually enjoyed by the elites or something. Sneer at anyone who works normal hours - call them cushy and pampered. Flexibility's the thing. Only doing one job? - pah!

EMR Mar 20th 2018 8:58 am

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Smog apparently is going to join a protest by fishermen and flinging fish ( or get one of his serfs to do it ) at the houses of Parliament.
I cannot understand why they are getting so upset, we are leaving its what they voted for.

DaveLovesDee Mar 20th 2018 9:21 am

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Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12466252)
Even a future Knight of the Realm. ;)

I must stop drinking coffee when reading your posts. The keyboard keeps wearing it.


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