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Red Eric Jun 24th 2016 6:09 am

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I expect Wolfie's sharpening his teeth right now.

Dick Dasterdly Jun 24th 2016 6:29 am

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 11982256)
Are you 12?

You want the UK to break up?


Grow up and take it on the chin like a man, woman. :rofl:

Dick Dasterdly Jun 24th 2016 6:33 am

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Originally Posted by Wol (Post 11981060)
Posted just after midnight on June 23rd, in the "Leaving the EU thread":

>>I think the biggest question facing us on the eve of the EU referendum, is not who will win, but how long will this thread continue after the votes have been counted?

Perhaps there will be a separate post Brexit thread, it is all in the lap of the gods!<<

Well, folks - 'ere it is!

Well done Wol.

Either you have a crystal ball or two ;) or you kept faith with the integrity of the British public despite all the brown stuff that's been chucked in their direction.

Great night !

:thumbsup:

kimilseung Jun 24th 2016 6:37 am

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This isnt how bourgeois democracy is supposed to work!

EMR Jun 24th 2016 7:17 am

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The pound down to E1.22 and $1.34..
We have voted and now have to face the consequences.

bcworld Jun 24th 2016 7:19 am

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 11982362)
The pound down to E1.22 and $1.34..
We have voted and now have to face the consequences.

FTSE futures -10%.

markonline1 Jun 24th 2016 7:20 am

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 11982362)
The pound down to E1.22 and $1.34..
We have voted and now have to face the consequences.

I suspect there will be far greater consequences than a shit exchange rate. Still, when you make your bed, you then have to lie in it.

iano Jun 24th 2016 7:21 am

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Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 11982281)
I expect Wolfie's sharpening his teeth right now.

Yes, it's going to be very 'interesting' to see the reaction from our former partners.

Gove is being put forward as Chief Negotiator.

Vexcore Jun 24th 2016 7:25 am

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common sense prevails!

:-)

CAMERON IS FINISHED

Red Eric Jun 24th 2016 7:36 am

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Originally Posted by iano (Post 11982369)
Gove is being put forward as Chief Negotiator.

Christ.

Dick Dasterdly Jun 24th 2016 8:07 am

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Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 11982385)
Christ.

Could anybody be more useless than Cameron has proved himself to be ?

TGA Jun 24th 2016 8:28 am

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Dave resigned. Just shows what a weak treacherous bastard he is.

paulry Jun 24th 2016 9:14 am

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 11981512)
We are sitting in the Portuguese sunshine, golf this afternoon, no tv we have had enough.
Remain votes cast.
Tomorrow I will either be miserable but a bit wealthier. If we Remain I will be happy and who cares about anything else.
Nige will be pleased as he can stay on the Euro gravy train for a the indefinite future.


It's a bright shiny new day in the UK, everything fresh sunny and clean after the rains. What a perfect day for the UK to wake up to such good news

:cool:

:britflag:

paulry Jun 24th 2016 9:19 am

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Originally Posted by TGA (Post 11982432)
Dave resigned. Just shows what a weak treacherous bastard he is.

He did the right thing to resign. Question is who should take his place? Would be good to have Dan Hannan or Michael Gove.

mikelincs Jun 24th 2016 9:22 am

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Originally Posted by TGA (Post 11982432)
Dave resigned. Just shows what a weak treacherous bastard he is.

I don't really think he had any choice, he backed the remain group, in fact led it, and parts of the UK disagreed to the extent that the remain people lost. So as leader he had to fall on his sword and go. I suspect that either Gove or Boris will take over. I can't see any treachery involved.

Fredbargate Jun 24th 2016 9:51 am

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From tother thread


Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 11982517)
Amongst the first people to feel the difference in exchange rates will be the thousands of Spaniards and other frontier workers who work in Gibraltar and change their £s into €s after being paid today.


Dick Dasterdly Jun 24th 2016 9:55 am

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Originally Posted by mikelincs (Post 11982490)
I don't really think he had any choice, he backed the remain group, in fact led it, and parts of the UK disagreed to the extent that the remain people lost. So as leader he had to fall on his sword and go. I suspect that either Gove or Boris will take over. I can't see any treachery involved.

His campaign of deceit lies and unfounded fearmongering against his own country, was treachery in itself.
Though in fairness that was the weakness of the whole remain campaign as they never yet put forward a credible reason for staying in.

Vexcore Jun 24th 2016 10:47 am

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The main reason the remain campaign is in such shock and distributing tantrums all over the UK, is because they honestly believed that the majority wouldn't have the courage to vote leave, as it was 'safer' to remain in. Well, looks like the British have showed how unpredictable they really are, and how much they stand with the country their ancestors built and to pass on British culture to the next generations. I hope the 27 countries left in the EU get their own referendum vote, and a chance to go independent. Every country deserves a say in the way their country is run. It's not that we are against immigration or any other EU country and its people. We had to save our culture and the future of the U.K for the next generations of Brits. We wanted to govern our own rules that suit to our lifestyle. The pound may have fallen in just 4 hours, but let's look back at it in 4 years and see where we are. Sometimes in order to better yourself, you have to go it alone or you don't grow simple as.


WELL DONE TO EVERYONE THAT VOTED LEAVE.

mikelincs Jun 24th 2016 10:53 am

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The major problem that I forseee is that the UK negotiators will have to do something to protect the single market for our manufacturers etc. and that will mean joining the EEA, which in turn means accepting the 'freedom of movement' which has been the major thrust of the 'leavers' by telling people that leaving the EU will solve the migration problems that the UK is purported to have.

Vexcore Jun 24th 2016 10:55 am

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Originally Posted by mikelincs (Post 11982605)
The major problem that I forseee is that the UK negotiators will have to do something to protect the single market for our manufacturers etc. and that will mean joining the EEA, which in turn means accepting the 'freedom of movement' which has been the major thrust of the 'leavers' by telling people that leaving the EU will solve the migration problems that the UK is purported to have.

That better not happen, if it does? i sense a massive civil war on the rise riots n shit.

mikelincs Jun 24th 2016 10:58 am

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Originally Posted by Vexcore (Post 11982607)
That better not happen, if it does? i sense a massive civil war on the rise riots n shit.

Well at least one of the 'leave' leaders did state this in an address, but, unfortunately, it was largely unreported in the press, as 'stopping the migrants' was much better headlines.

Red Eric Jun 24th 2016 11:12 am

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Originally Posted by Vexcore (Post 11982607)
That better not happen, if it does? i sense a massive civil war on the rise riots n shit.

Is that what a Brave New Dawn looks like?

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 11:16 am

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Originally Posted by mikelincs (Post 11982613)
Well at least one of the 'leave' leaders did state this in an address, but, unfortunately, it was largely unreported in the press, as 'stopping the migrants' was much better headlines.




I would imagine it will almost certainly go that way. What else can they realistically do? Plenty of people said so, including people on BE, but the shouting about foreigners and flag waving was too loud.

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 11:44 am

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Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 11982626)
Is that what a Brave New Dawn looks like?

Mostly a lot of shouting and flag waving until they calm down, then the rest of us have to clean up the mess because the UK looks like a small town after an attack of binge drinking by a gang of youth - rubbish and sick on the ground everywhere, and people still wearing their dirty clothes from the previous night lying around wherever they passed out.

One could hardly blame the Northern Irish and Scots for wanting to bugger off.

amideislas Jun 24th 2016 12:06 pm

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Luckily for us, British tourism accounts for a mere fraction of tourism revenues here, so the inevitable decline of it will only have a limited effect.

Fortunately, Germans should still have reasonably respectable disposable income, so I doubt that segment will be affected much. Besides, they don't share the same fear of foreigners, so it doesn't "scare" them to go abroad.

Although it's ironic that the scariest place around here is Magaluf.


Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 1:13 pm

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Has Farage resigned yet? Surely he should lead the way? Presumably he has saved up enough from 17 years of EU salary and expense accounrs.

lutonlad Jun 24th 2016 1:16 pm

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 11982484)
It's a bright shiny new day in the UK, everything fresh sunny and clean after the rains. What a perfect day for the UK to wake up to such good news

:cool:

:britflag:

It's the real Labour voters who helped bring this about - not Corbyns coalition of elitist Guardianistas and activist thugs. Examples of the former being evident on this thread. Their superior stance and smug hypocrisy has been left wanting.

As for Cameron, he's a complete idiot. His negotiating skills were exposed by the EU as useless. Otherwise, the outcome of this referendum could have been very different.

But now that the vote is done and dusted, I hope that the 'new' Tory leadership will quickly take the tough measures necessary to bring back control for the people of England and Wales - our United Kingdom!

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 1:19 pm

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Originally Posted by lutonlad (Post 11982746)
It's the real Labour voters who helped bring this about - not Corbyns coalition of elitist Guardianistas and activist thugs. Examples of the former being evident on this thread. Their superior stance and smug hypocrisy has been left wanting.

As for Cameron, he's a complete idiot. His negotiating skills were exposed by the EU as useless. Otherwise, the outcome of this referendum could have been very different.

But now that the vote is done and dusted, I hope that the 'new' Tory leadership will quickly take the tough measures necessary to bring back control for the people of England and Wales - our United Kingdom!

People keep using the term "elites" - who exactly are these people? Specifically I mean.

paulry Jun 24th 2016 1:25 pm

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Originally Posted by lutonlad (Post 11982746)
It's the real Labour voters who helped bring this about - not Corbyns coalition of elitist Guardianistas and activist thugs. Examples of the former being evident on this thread. Their superior stance and smug hypocrisy has been left wanting.

As for Cameron, he's a complete idiot. His negotiating skills were exposed by the EU as useless. Otherwise, the outcome of this referendum could have been very different.

But now that the vote is done and dusted, I hope that the 'new' Tory leadership will quickly take the tough measures necessary to bring back control for the people of England and Wales - our United Kingdom!

Brexit will lance much of the EU poison that has afflicted our main parties for decades now. I'm not banking on it but maybe, just maybe Brexit will be the catalyst for change - resetting the parties back to their core traditional values. :cool:

It also has the scope for ushering in a different kind of globalisation - one where the main beneficiaries will be hard working people and their families, instead of big business.

amideislas Jun 24th 2016 1:27 pm

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Originally Posted by lutonlad (Post 11982746)
It's the real Labour voters who helped bring this about - not Corbyns coalition of elitist Guardianistas and activist thugs. Examples of the former being evident on this thread. Their superior stance and smug hypocrisy has been left wanting.

As for Cameron, he's a complete idiot. His negotiating skills were exposed by the EU as useless. Otherwise, the outcome of this referendum could have been very different.

But now that the vote is done and dusted, I hope that the 'new' Tory leadership will quickly take the tough measures necessary to bring back control for the people of England and Wales - our United Kingdom!

As predicted, the blame game begins already...

EMR Jun 24th 2016 1:31 pm

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 11982757)
Brexit will lance much of the EU poison that has afflicted our main parties for decades now. I'm not banking on it but maybe, just maybe Brexit will be the catalyst for change - resetting the parties back to their core traditional values. :cool:

It also has the scope for ushering in a different kind of globalisation - one where the main beneficiaries will be hard working people and their families, instead of big business.

Still clinging to the falacy that labour voters voted against the EU.
They and many others were able to show their dislike of migration, all migration and to express their dislike of government policies.
Who will they blame when nothing changes in fact for those in deprived areas it gets worse.

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 1:35 pm

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 11982757)
Brexit will lance much of the EU poison that has afflicted our main parties for decades now. I'm not banking on it but maybe, just maybe Brexit will be the catalyst for change - resetting the parties back to their core traditional values. :cool:

It also has the scope for ushering in a different kind of globalisation - one where the main beneficiaries will be hard working people and their families, instead of big business.

You leftie, woolly romantic you.

Dick Dasterdly Jun 24th 2016 1:36 pm

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 11982757)
Brexit will lance much of the EU poison that has afflicted our main parties for decades now. I'm not banking on it but maybe, just maybe Brexit will be the catalyst for change - resetting the parties back to their core traditional values. :cool:

It also has the scope for ushering in a different kind of globalisation - one where the main beneficiaries will be hard working people and their families, instead of big business.

That's the big difference.
Remain has always been about greed, a quick buck and little else.
Leave was about decent values, freedom and democracy.
The people have spoken.

Try and get over your sour grapes and calm yourself down the English way with a nice pot of tea Ami.

I'm sure you'll feel much better. ;)

lutonlad Jun 24th 2016 1:38 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 11982751)
People keep using the term "elites" - who exactly are these people? Specifically I mean.

Ooh that's a tough one...

Could it be the pseudo socialists sitting behind their Guardians and Observers or Forums, making pronouncements from a safe distance, on what's best for mere ordinary folk who live in communities adversely affected by EU policies.

Often the same people who brand Brexiters as racist :thumbdown:

Is that specific enough?

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 1:45 pm

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Originally Posted by lutonlad (Post 11982778)
Ooh that's a tough one...

Could it be the pseudo socialists sitting behind their Guardians and Observers or Forums, making pronouncements from a safe distance, on what's best for mere ordinary folk who live in communities adversely affected by EU policies.

Often the same people who brand Brexiters as racist :thumbdown:

Is that specific enough?

Not really, no. It's a real question - because usually "elites" means the people who actually hold power in the country, irrespective of the newspapers they read, etc. Far from being at a safe distance, they are the ones running the banks, international industry, and government.

So unless you think that these people are not going to be the ones determining both the terms of our exit and how our economy will be run (as they always have), I'm at a loss as to how improving the lives of "ordinary people" is suddenly going to be made a priority. And I'm as ordinary as they come.

SultanOfSwing Jun 24th 2016 2:00 pm

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 11982415)
Could anybody be more useless than Cameron has proved himself to be ?

Apparently, the British voting public.


Originally Posted by paulry (Post 11982484)
It's a bright shiny new day in the UK, everything fresh sunny and clean after the rains. What a perfect day for the UK to wake up to such good news

:cool:

:britflag:

Easy to say from Australia, I suppose. Not like you have to live in the UK when it tries to clean up the mess this will leave.

But congratulations Britain, you've managed to make me feel like an American for the first time in my life.

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 2:21 pm

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lutonlad Jun 24th 2016 2:22 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 11982783)
Not really, no. It's a real question - because usually "elites" means the people who actually hold power in the country, irrespective of the newspapers they read, etc. Far from being at a safe distance, they are the ones running the banks, international industry, and government.

So unless you think that these people are not going to be the ones determining both the terms of our exit and how our economy will be run (as they always have), I'm at a loss as to how improving the lives of "ordinary people" is suddenly going to be made a priority. And I'm as ordinary as they come.

Just for the record. I could have easily voted Remain if Cameron had convinced me that he struck a hard bargain and brought back something tangible.

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 2:27 pm

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Originally Posted by lutonlad (Post 11982848)
Just for the record. I could have easily voted Remain if Cameron had convinced me that he struck a hard bargain and brought back something tangible.

I understand that and don't disagree with you.

It's this idea that somehow these "elites" will vanish and no longer control our lives, our economy, and our political destiny that just appears false. Why on earth would anyone believe that? Has there been any evidence of it? It's the exact same group of people who are in charge post referendum as it was pre-referendum. And it will stay that way. Frankly, I think a large part of the UK population has simply been bamboozled.

amideislas Jun 24th 2016 2:40 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 11982857)
Frankly, I think a large part of the UK population has simply been bamboozled.

What would make you say that?

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