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Red Eric borrowing a phrase from BoJo/Leadsom/Churchill, who’d have thort it ..... 😀

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oh yes he has ;)

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It's that time of year I suppose...:rolleyes:

But he hasn't.:sneaky:

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My point is the whole thing is a bleeding pantomime - I wish they'd all stop this pointless posturing to the media and sit down around a table and negotiate responsibly - I was always a naive idealist with unrealistic aspirations of our politicians.

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You don't need to be a sociologist or anthropologist to realise that this issue has divided the UK more than any other – probably in living memory.
The real dilemma for our politicos now, is that instead of any signs of the rifts closing, they actually appear to be widening, with attitudes struck and hardened emotions.
IF we get to the position of either ‘no deal’ or ‘bad deal’ how many will then realise the full extent of their (long/short term) drop in living standards, I wonder?
It's when that kicks in IMO, that the discontent will escalate into trouble. History teaches that It's alway those with something to lose, that initiate the spark.

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that's for sure :goodpost:

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I think it's a good thing we all at least get a chance to get some sense of what the relative positions are as we go along. Saves it being throughly misrepresented at a later date.

We all believe in transparency in such matters, don't we? I'm sure many of us have said we do, at one time or another.

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I just wanted to know what it felt like, doing that shit.

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yes

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Not all, apparently.

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Who might they be?

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of course there is a difference between transparancy and posturing in the media :nod::nod::nod: may be too subtle a difference for some to notice ;)

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Well, no. There are some who like to misrepresent things as we go along but there's nothing new in that.

The point is that if we have announcements to the world at large and we can thus see and hear exactly what's being said via some channel or another, we can then make up our minds as to who's muddying the waters by trying to present things differently. And of course we can monitor whether the deeds match the words and if not, why not / which side's being obstructive.

Works for me :)

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I think that is pretty obvious. But if one lies, as some within the EU are prone to do, then we do not get a chance to get some sense of what the relative positions are until it is too late, do we? We cannot see who is muddying the waters until the words are long gone and the deeds have been enacted.

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Yes and guess what?