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I do wish that every now and then you would come off your high horse !
Morphet used the word ''harder'' not ''hard'' ... simples ...Do not start up that discussion again !

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Well, apologies---I should have used the word "harder" instead of "hard"--
Morphet??
Tell me why will it be 'harder' to bring in skilled workers.
Why should I not ask this question---or maybe your "high horse"?

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I think Morpeth was what was meant but maybe Anne has been borrowing Genie's predictive text algorithm :sneaky:

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:banghead::banghead::banghead:

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:goodpost:

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Democracy. The issue has raised lots of emotions and I think for all those who voted to leave their intentions as to why to leave should be considered- my hunch is when faced with reality 10 to 20% who voted leave would vote differently. This is serious stuff for Britain's future, and I don't have a lot of confidence in either of the two major parties to decide this issue well.

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The political parties are too wrapped around ideology axles. Can't see the forest for the trees. But then, so is the electorate (their bosses) fuelled by a press that's also wrapped around an ideological axe.

Prognosis doesn't appear to include what's good for the country.

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I have answered this twice in asking a question which you havent answered. It is so simple I am not sure how to explain again. Right now as a UK employer I can interview someone form Europe quickly ( they don't need a visa) , are close and probably familiar with EU rules they have and would have to deal with, and if I wish to hire them I can do so virtually immediately.

With a non-EU worker (a) they are farther away but you are right they can catch a plane though someone has to pay for (b) if I wish to hire them will take longer and more paperwork for work visa etc. (c) they may need additional training on EU regulations and practices.

This doesn't mean at all anything for or against workers from your country.Just a practical consideration.

- My question was simple : why leave the current arrangement with the EU that will make it more cumbersome to hire skilled workers ?

-Second, if it is so simple for non-EU skilled workers to enter, and Brexit as envisaged will keep it easy for EU skilled workers to enter, then is the freedom of movement issue only about workers that are unskilled or for some reason considered unneeded ?

If my comments appear "high horse" they are not meant that way. I am just a simple person imagining myself as an employer,, and remembering when I had to deal with visa questions for potential hires from abroad- I never would have thought hiring someone without a work visa would be the same as going through getting a work visa. Maybe the process is instantaneous for non-EU migrants but something tells me it isn't.

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I was answering Annetje's post, she was accusing me regarding "high horse":lol:

I think our personal definition of skilled worker is probably different. I am thinking of the professions and teachers, academics, researchers etc. who will likely stay for some time, not those workers who are 'hired' for short term employment.
I can see your point regarding immediate employment of workers for short term work--or seasonal work. Separate arrangements 'could' be arranged.

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I'll reply to yours, but several others have made the same point.

It's amusing that remainiacs have spent the past 18 months abusing brexiters as xenophobic and dreaming of empire and yet now want to say the vote was not about immigration and ECJ/Laws? Really? You can't have it both ways.

The Lord Ashcroft post-referendum analysis is used daily by remainiacs to lambaste brexit voters as bigotted and thick, yet you will now deny the principle reasons for brexiters vote to leave?

Laws/ECJ and immigration were the two primary reason quoted by brexiters from all political parties in the Ashcroft work, "leaving" the EU but staying with the ECJ and FOM would clearly be LINO and not reflect the will of the majority of the voting electorate.

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Did you watch Question Time last night?

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You forgot ''the Bojo Bus'' :nod:

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Those are all clearly negatives of brexit, but on the other hand we have a reduction in mass migration (with negative impacts on housing, wages and productivity, especially the low payed, low skilled), a reduction in our circa £10B net payment a year, the ability to strike appropriate trade deals with the rest of the world, more direct democracy, etc.

My personal circumstances led me to believe that the positives of the EU outweighed the negatives, but that does not mean there were no negatives nor that other peoples circumstances would not have produced an entirely logical opposite opinion.

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Funnily enough, democracy works through the result of actual specific votes, not what people may or may not say to exit and other pollers. And, quite simply, what they voted on was:

"Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"

Nothing more, nothing less.

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Sorry I missed to whom the high horse comment was made.

In the fast moving IT world or financial services sometimes companies just don't want to wait for a work visa to be approved, or to pay for someone to fly longer distances just for an interview. Same can apply to the seasonal work you refer to. No matter how it is looked at, leaving the EU and changing the existing freedom of movement will be a negative for companies needing skilled workers, perhaps not end of the world but a negative- but I am getting the impression those who voted to leave were not too concerned about the overall effect on the economy or business.

I can see that some lower skilled low wage jobs will see some wage increases and create more opportunities for locals, as one would expect, but I am not sure whether this is enough of a benefit against the negatives Brexit may bring.

By the way out of curiosity what are the serious decisions of ECJ that have been so detrimental to Britain ?