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Old Aug 15th 2017, 6:59 pm
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Originally Posted by EMR View Post
The Government may be fools ,but they are not completely stupid.
The various proposals are not just aimed at the EU negotiating team but also at the UK populace.
Davis and co knew in advance what the EU reaction would be and always has the fall back position of saying " we tried , its the EU you can blame for whatever happens ".
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Yep, as with the Citizens' Rights proposal, let's go ask for the moon before hurtling over the cliff, and the 'intransigent' 'dictatorial' EU will cop the blame for the inevitable economic fallout.

Multi-millionaire Cabinet Ministers will consider it a price well worth paying for restoration of undiluted power.
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Old Aug 15th 2017, 7:00 pm
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The proposals are aimed at twenty-seven member states.
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Old Aug 15th 2017, 8:23 pm
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The proposals are aimed at twenty-seven member states.
Nope. It's aimed at the UK electorate via the Daily Mail, Express and The Sun.
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Old Aug 15th 2017, 8:52 pm
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The proposals are aimed at twenty-seven member states.
The 27 nations whose elected heads of state have appointed a negotiating team who have been given a brief and whose task is to ensure that the UK does not retain the benefits of being an EU member without paying in one way or another for them.
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Once again you are all so far off the mark it is unbelievable. This proposal has nothing to do with the UK retaining benefits without paying in one way or another, or aimed at the UK electorate, or will the UK end up with a better deal outside of the EU. It is about both UK and European businesses adjusting to a new trading system from March 2019. If there is no temporary system in place then so be it. Good luck with that but don’t moan the UK has no plan.
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Old Aug 15th 2017, 10:10 pm
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The government's customs union plan is an absolute dog's breakfast

On Sunday, Phillip Hammond and Liam Fox wrote a joint piece for the Sunday Telegraph agreeing that the UK would not stay in the customs union during transition. There is no particular reason to do this, except for the religious zeal of hard Brexiters. Staying in would allow British business to enjoy certainty and consistency as we left the EU and reduce the amount of work the UK government has to do before Brexit day. But regardless, that is not happening, so now we are full steam ahead to leave, even in the transition period.

What would this transition period entail, if not customs union membership? Well, it seems to mostly involve customs union membership. There would be a "continued close association" for a "time limited period". This – there should really be a laughter track – "could involve a new and time-limited customs union between the UK and EU Customs Union, based on a shared external tariff and without customs processes and duties between the UK and the EU". In other words: a customs union. The British plan is to leave the customs union and then create a new customs union which does exactly the same thing as the one it just left.
New customs proposals laid out by Government in new paper on future relationship with the EU
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Just waiting for a Bojo explanation ...

I ermmmm I can see ermmmmm great possibilities ermmmmmm for the UK and the new customs ermmmmmm union and I am sure ermmmmmm we will prosper ermmmmmm and they can ermmmmmm still whistle ermmmmm for the money SMILEY FACE
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Just waiting for a Bojo explanation ...

I ermmmm I can see ermmmmm great possibilities ermmmmmm for the UK and the new customs ermmmmmm union and I am sure ermmmmmm we will prosper ermmmmmm and they can ermmmmmm still whistle ermmmmm for the money SMILEY FACE
Or Trump....

It's a great deal, better than any deal before. And the EU will pay for it.
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Once again you are all so far off the mark it is unbelievable. This proposal has nothing to do with the UK retaining benefits without paying in one way or another, or aimed at the UK electorate, or will the UK end up with a better deal outside of the EU. It is about both UK and European businesses adjusting to a new trading system from March 2019. If there is no temporary system in place then so be it. Good luck with that but don’t moan the UK has no plan.
Erm...

Hey look! Some poster just claimed the earth is round, and that it orbits the sun. How far off the mark is that? Morons.

Go get 'em tiger!
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Old Aug 16th 2017, 4:30 am
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Once again you are all so far off the mark it is unbelievable. This proposal has nothing to do with the UK retaining benefits without paying in one way or another, or aimed at the UK electorate, or will the UK end up with a better deal outside of the EU. It is about both UK and European businesses adjusting to a new trading system from March 2019. If there is no temporary system in place then so be it. Good luck with that but don’t moan the UK has no plan.
We all know that the UK had a plan from the very beginning: have the cake and eat it. We all see nothing has changed there. So why not accept the EU plan for the interim period: stay in the customs union, accept freedom of movement, accept the rulings of the European Court, pay into the EU budget, accept European legislation with no say in it. Is that an acceptable suggestion for the UK? No? Then know that the UK suggestion is equally not acceptable to the EU.
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We all know that the UK had a plan from the very beginning: have the cake and eat it. We all see nothing has changed there. So why not accept the EU plan for the interim period: stay in the customs union, accept freedom of movement, accept the rulings of the European Court, pay into the EU budget, accept European legislation with no say in it. Is that an acceptable suggestion for the UK? No? Then know that the UK suggestion is equally not acceptable to the EU.
This is all assuming the EU will offer an interim period.
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Old Aug 16th 2017, 9:15 am
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There's still that lovely whiff of fantasy in the air ..... "They need us more than we need them".

"'Tis but a scratch!" cries Davis as the EU dismiss his cunning plans...... "If you don't like the idea of giving us everything we want for nothing, how about we replace the customs union with the same thing by another name? How about the Continental Unitary Nominal Tariff System? We'll decide what it covers; we'll decide how it's run; we'll decide how long it runs for and you'll just nod - OK?"

"NO?, well if you're just going to get picky........"
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There's still that lovely whiff of fantasy in the air ..... "They need us more than we need them".

"'Tis but a scratch!" cries Davis as the EU dismiss his cunning plans...... "If you don't like the idea of giving us everything we want for nothing, how about we replace the customs union with the same thing by another name? How about the Continental Unitary Nominal Tariff System? We'll decide what it covers; we'll decide how it's run; we'll decide how long it runs for and you'll just nod - OK?"

"NO?, well if you're just going to get picky........"
we'll go for the Customs Rapid Access Process.
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We all know that the UK had a plan from the very beginning: have the cake and eat it..
As DLD's excellent 'Dog's Breakfast' link highlighted above, analyse any overt Brexit 'plan' closely and in detail, and it turns out to be complete wind and piss. As EMR pointed out, the people coming up with this tripe aren't stupid, and they know that the 27 EU members aren't stupid either. As Guy V has said "fantasy". Despite the bluster I don't even think La Mancha really buys it, he's surely brighter than that (?!), yet Brexiteer pride dictates a stiff upper lip.

Talking of which, note the bunker mentality of our proud Brexiteers; Dick Dasterdly, Vino, Fred, Cape Blue, Golden Years etc etc. Growing silence. Only dear old Manch occasionally sticks his head above the parapet, telling us all we don't get it, rather unconvincingly. Those that know, know, best to keep the head down.

Had my doubts before but never been more certain that Brexit does indeed mean Brexit, there'll be no deal. Politicos will have to sell it to the Business community and the great British public, and is why they're prepping the EU blame game in advance. Hold on tight y'all.

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Had my doubts before but never been more certain that Brexit does indeed mean Brexit, there'll be no deal. Politicos will have to sell it to the Business community and the great British public, and is why they're prepping the EU blame game in advance. Hold on tight y'all.
Spot on & when they have finished blaming the EU they can cite the "will of the people".

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