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Old Jul 14th 2017, 7:42 pm
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Originally Posted by Bipat View Post
That would include students from anywhere in the world ---Russian oligarchs etc.
Why--when we don't have reciprocal rights in other countries?
Reciprocal rights are irrelevant,
They had nothing to do with the vote in question.
Commonwealth students can vote " why " but EU students could not.
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Old Jul 14th 2017, 7:47 pm
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I do not know if it would have made any difference but I believe that we are a better nation than that which allowed over a million non citizens a vote but denied just as many just because they came from any one of 27 other countries.
We are or should be better than that.
Only 24, citizens of the Republic of Ireland, Malta and Cyprus can all vote in UK elections if they are resident.
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Old Jul 14th 2017, 7:51 pm
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There is an interesting article by Ryan Bourne in today's Telegraph that explains how much lower food prices will become after Brexit. He suggests up to 15% savings from current price levels.
Not clear how that can happen, unless food quality is reduced significantly. Maybe that's the plan.

I'm in the US right now (if that's what Britain has in mind), experiencing food price sticker shock. Both at the supermarket and the restaurant. Plus tax & tips on top.

Oh well, what will be will be, I reckon.
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Old Jul 14th 2017, 7:51 pm
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There is an interesting article by Ryan Bourne in today's Telegraph that explains how much lower food prices will become after Brexit. He suggests up to 15% savings from current price levels.
Has he taken into account the lower crop yields for UK-produced foodstuffs due to poorer post-Brexit weather?
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Old Jul 14th 2017, 8:00 pm
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Has he taken into account the lower crop yields for UK-produced foodstuffs due to poorer post-Brexit weather?
Has he also assumed that sterling will recover to a point that importedprices will fall significantly.
Has he assumed that human growth hormone contaminated meat and dairy priducts will flood in from the US.
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Old Jul 14th 2017, 8:11 pm
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Jaguar land rover to build first complete vehicle outside of the UK.

Despite Freedom of Information requests Government will not release details of assurances and inducements it has given to Toyota so that it will continue with re tooling its UK production lines.

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Old Jul 14th 2017, 8:26 pm
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Reciprocal rights are irrelevant,
They had nothing to do with the vote in question.
Commonwealth students can vote " why " but EU students could not.
"Reciprocal rights are irrelevant"?? Why?

I have said about three times that Commonwealth students shouldn't be allowed to vote.
As you say EU students cannot, neither can those from China (the majority), USA, Russia, and many other countries; why do you distinguish these students?

(One of the reasons for Commonwealth privileges was because many of their citizens were actually of UK origin--that is parents or grandparents British but children born in a Commonwealth country. That reason now with time has been mostly eliminated, so no longer is a valid reason.)
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Jaguar land rover to build first complete vehicle outside of the UK.

Despite Freedom of Information requests Government will not release details of assurances and inducements it has given to Toyota so that it will continue with re tooling its UK production lines.

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Seem to be still active in Coventry.

Jaguar Land Rover to join forces with WMG thanks to £5.7m electric vehicle grant - Coventry Telegraph
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Old Jul 14th 2017, 8:44 pm
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Still does not change the fact that the new model will not be built in the UK but partly in Slovakia.
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Old Jul 14th 2017, 8:48 pm
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"Reciprocal rights are irrelevant"?? Why?

I have said about three times that Commonwealth students shouldn't be allowed to vote.
As you say EU students cannot, neither can those from China (the majority), USA, Russia, and many other countries; why do you distinguish these students?

(One of the reasons for Commonwealth privileges was because many of their citizens were actually of UK origin--that is parents or grandparents British but children born in a Commonwealth country. That reason now with time has been mostly eliminated, so no longer is a valid reason.)
So you agree that the referendum vote was flawed because those you think should not be allowed to vote were given a vote .
It's simple All or NONE ( subject to certain conditions ).
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Old Jul 14th 2017, 9:08 pm
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So you agree that the referendum vote was flawed because those you think should not be allowed to vote were given a vote .
It's simple All or NONE ( subject to certain conditions ).
Yes, that it should be all citizens no one else. How many times to say it????

You said above you thought it made no difference to the referendum result.

I would have thought that those who were not citizens and were students, some only there for 6 months, would have either not bothered to register or would vote remain!--
So the Brexit vote difference would have been greater.
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Old Jul 14th 2017, 9:18 pm
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Yes, that it should be all citizens no one else. How many times to say it????

You said above you thought it made no difference to the referendum result.

I would have thought that those who were not citizens and were students, some only there for 6 months, would have either not bothered to register or would vote remain!--
So the Brexit vote difference would have been greater.
I did not say it would not have made a difference, but I do not know if it would have made a difference.
What I do know is that those who will be most affected could not vote and that those who will not be affected could.
That is not fair nor as I was bought up the " British " way of doing things.
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Still does not change the fact that the new model will not be built in the UK but partly in Slovakia.
Because Jaguar has no spare capacity in the UK.

Good news from two Spanish companies.

Spanish rolling stock manufacturer CAF will open a train production plant in South Wales next year, the company has announced.

Around 300 jobs will be created at the site near Newport when it opens in the autumn.

Sacyr has opened a London office that will be tasked with spurring the company’s growth both in the United Kingdom as well as in new markets on the Old Continent. The London office is close to the centrally located Victoria Station.


It seems that where UK based businesses will be opening offices within the EU to hedge their post-Brexit bets, EU businesses will be opening offices and factories in the UK to hedge theirs.
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Old Jul 14th 2017, 10:25 pm
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"Reciprocal rights are irrelevant"?? Why?
It would actually be better if you could explain why it is that you think the only fair arrangement is a reciprocal one or that only the citizens of a country should be allowed a vote.

Neither of those makes any sense whatsoever to me.

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Old Jul 14th 2017, 10:50 pm
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It would actually be better if you could explain why it is that you think the only fair arrangement is a reciprocal one or that only the citizens of a country should be allowed a vote.

Neither of those makes any sense whatsoever to me.
Your reply doesn't make sense to me!!

Surely the citizens of a country are the only people who should vote to decide who forms a Government etc. in their own country.
You really think that anyone from anywhere in the world can just arrive and stay for various lengths of time and vote in a General Election or a Referendum (and then leave!)
Why do you think this?

The reciprocal arrangement referred to Commonwealth citizens being able to vote in UK elections but British citizens not being allowed to vote in their countries if they lived there.

(I explained why this originated but now should no longer apply).
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