Post EU Referendum
Jul 9th 2017, 6:59 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by iano
A C Grayling telling it as it is....
A C Grayling has 6 reasons to prove why Brexit will be stopped - Top Stories - The New European
A C Grayling has 6 reasons to prove why Brexit will be stopped - Top Stories - The New European
Some points:
May knows she has no mandate for Brexit - she has said so.
The majority of MPs of all parties are remainers and know the damage hard Brexit (by definition Brexit, if it happens, will be hard) will do. They are keeping their heads down - deferring to 'the will of the people'.
They need a leader who will commit to doing 'the right thing' as opposed to 'the will of the people'.
Corbyn is not our man - he is a hard Brexiteer. Someone else needs to come forward.
Jul 9th 2017, 7:37 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by jimenato
Good article.
Some points:
May knows she has no mandate for Brexit - she has said so.
The majority of MPs of all parties are remainers and know the damage hard Brexit (by definition Brexit, if it happens, will be hard) will do. They are keeping their heads down - deferring to 'the will of the people'.
They need a leader who will commit to doing 'the right thing' as opposed to 'the will of the people'.
Corbyn is not our man - he is a hard Brexiteer. Someone else needs to come forward.
Some points:
May knows she has no mandate for Brexit - she has said so.
The majority of MPs of all parties are remainers and know the damage hard Brexit (by definition Brexit, if it happens, will be hard) will do. They are keeping their heads down - deferring to 'the will of the people'.
They need a leader who will commit to doing 'the right thing' as opposed to 'the will of the people'.
Corbyn is not our man - he is a hard Brexiteer. Someone else needs to come forward.
Jul 9th 2017, 7:43 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Bipat
Why do we ever bother with the expense of elections, why not bring back an absolute monarchy??
Even the leaders of the Vote Leave have said so.
Jul 9th 2017, 7:58 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by jimenato
Elections are fine. Even referenda are sometimes but this one was very flawed.
Even the leaders of the Vote Leave have said so.
Even the leaders of the Vote Leave have said so.
(I think Gisela Stuart has criticised the events after the referendum. She would have preferred a referendum at the time of the Lisbon Treaty, as promised by Gordon Brown)
Jul 9th 2017, 8:20 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
(I think Gisela Stuart has criticised the events after the referendum. She would have preferred a referendum at the time of the Lisbon Treaty, as promised by Gordon Brown)
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Jul 9th 2017, 8:25 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Garbatellamike
I tend to agree with her. Both Lisbon and Maastricht treaties should have beenn put to referenda imho
Jul 9th 2017, 8:37 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by robin1234
(Just a housekeeping note; the post you quote in the above post says its from me. It isn't! I never said that!!)
Jul 9th 2017, 8:43 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Bipat
I presume though, if the result had gone the other way you would have accepted it without question?
(I think Gisela Stuart has criticised the events after the referendum. She would have preferred a referendum at the time of the Lisbon Treaty, as promised by Gordon Brown)
(I think Gisela Stuart has criticised the events after the referendum. She would have preferred a referendum at the time of the Lisbon Treaty, as promised by Gordon Brown)
Jul 9th 2017, 8:50 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Bipat
...(I think Gisela Stuart has criticised the events after the referendum...
Jul 9th 2017, 9:02 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by EMR
I doubt you or the majority of those who genuinely believe that the UK should exit the EU would have or stopped their campaign had the vote been 52,48 in favour of staying !.
Jul 9th 2017, 9:12 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by jimenato
... she's criticised what she voted for?
Jul 9th 2017, 9:15 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by jimenato
Someone else needs to come forward.
A UK 'Macron' able to fill the huge vacuum in the centre ground, to galvanise the Remainer one nation Tories, LibDems, Greens, SNP and Nou Labourites with the aim of putting an end to this ridiculous pantomime.
Any pro-EU, centrist leaders of men out there, with a bit of oomph and charisma, well, your country needs you NOW !
Jul 9th 2017, 9:19 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Bipat
I didn't campaign--just voted!
Jul 9th 2017, 9:21 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by iano
Hmmm, have posed this very question before. Somebody suggested Milliband Senior at the time, which isn't a bad shout.
A UK 'Macron' able to fill the huge vacuum in the centre ground, to galvanise the Remainer one nation Tories, LibDems, Greens, SNP and Nou Labourites with the aim of putting an end to this ridiculous pantomime.
Any pro-EU, centrist leaders of men out there, with a bit of oomph and charisma, well, your country needs you NOW !
A UK 'Macron' able to fill the huge vacuum in the centre ground, to galvanise the Remainer one nation Tories, LibDems, Greens, SNP and Nou Labourites with the aim of putting an end to this ridiculous pantomime.
Any pro-EU, centrist leaders of men out there, with a bit of oomph and charisma, well, your country needs you NOW !
Jul 9th 2017, 11:45 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by jimenato
May knows she has no mandate for Brexit - she has said so.
The referendum was her mandate.
The MPs vote after the referendum to enact the result was her mandate.
The General election where Brits increased their vote for both Tory and Labour whose manifestos stated Brexit - was her mandate.
How much more of a mandate for Brexit could there be?
