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Old Jul 3rd 2017, 9:18 pm
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Originally Posted by iano View Post
You mean the UK will finally be at liberty to sell arms to the Saudis ?
They already sell arms to the Saudis.
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Old Jul 3rd 2017, 9:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Golden Years View Post
I don't understand your argument.
The UK's position in the world post Brexit will be as an independent nation, being at liberty to trade with anybody and everybody.
The terms of that trade will be, at best, on a free trade basis and, at worst, under the WTO terms. In all likelihood the reality will be somewhere in between.
The only way the EU can influence UK trade agreements with third countries is if the UK was still part of the Customs Union, which is the reason for wanting to leave it.
A number of countries have indicated that they could quickly put a trade agreement in place and those hypothetical discussions will continue.
Ah, finally somebody who knows what will happen after Brexit. Did U-turn Mayhem confine in you ?
I am not getting into another discussion about the reason for Brexit, but I firmly believe (and there are statistics to prove this) that immigration was the biggest reason and not the customs union or trade agreements.

Look, all I am saying is, that it is ridiculous to talk about ''trade deals ready to sign'' straight after Brexit. At the moment nobody knows what the May-clowns are up to, and listening to all the news coming out of the UK today, making U-turns is becoming a bit of a tory-habit.
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Old Jul 3rd 2017, 9:25 pm
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Originally Posted by EMR View Post
On the contrary, remainers know that there is far more to the world than the EU and India.
Being more aware they know that only an idiot would risk the known in business for the unknown.


Originally Posted by Bipat View Post
So you agree that there is far more to the world than the EU!
Then you describe 'the world' as "unknown" in "business", so you really are in need of education!!
C'mon Bipat, stay with it !
Read that sentence a few times and let sink in ... and then, if necessary, reply !
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Old Jul 3rd 2017, 10:07 pm
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C'mon Bipat, stay with it !
Read that sentence a few times and let sink in ... and then, if necessary, reply !
Well if there were no ventures into the unknown, there would not have been many advances would there?

In this discussion however regarding UK Post Brexit trade-- business with the world outside the EU is not unknown, it has always been there but since the membership of the EEC and EU under 'club' rules.
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Old Jul 3rd 2017, 10:57 pm
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Originally Posted by Bipat View Post
Well if there were no ventures into the unknown, there would not have been many advances would there?

In this discussion however regarding UK Post Brexit trade-- business with the world outside the EU is not unknown, it has always been there but since the membership of the EEC and EU under 'club' rules.
We are talking about the economy, the jobs of millions , not a new brand of washing up liquid.
If the rules that you believe limit UK business activities why are other EU countries more sucessvull competing against us.
If there is no EU trade agreement then there cannot be any rules limiting the UK ability to do business.
You do not need a trade agreement to sell or buy from anyone.
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Old Jul 4th 2017, 12:24 am
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Originally Posted by Bipat View Post
A previous poster said "Is UK ready for the world"? I think it is remain posters who refuse to believe that there is a world!
We've been trading with the world, both pre-EU and as an EU member. The latter made it easier to trade with other EU/EEA countries through a common set of rules and standards, and to make international free trade agreements as part of a much bigger trading partner of 500m potential consumers instead of 60 million.

I don't refuse to believe there's a world, I refuse to believe that any potential free trade deal post-Brexit will be as good as the ones we're throwing away. It would be nice if I were wrong, but we won't find out for at least 5 years either way.

And you keep stating it's remainers who refuse to believe, but that would be like claiming that a percentage of people refuse to believe the Earth is flat. You're claiming a falsehood, and you know it (or you're too stupid to understand what you're doing).

Anyway you wouldn't agree with the speech--actually positive about Mrs May!
(Although you might have appreciated the NDTV moderator a sort of glamorous Jeremy Paxman and just as fierce.)
I don't give a shit about whether a speech is positive about May or not. Is it factually accurate?

And why is whether the moderator is glamorous or a Paxman f-ing relevant?
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Old Jul 4th 2017, 7:57 am
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
1)We've been trading with the world, both pre-EU and as an EU member. The latter made it easier to trade with other EU/EEA countries through a common set of rules and standards, and to make international free trade agreements as part of a much bigger trading partner of 500m potential consumers instead of 60 million.

I don't refuse to believe there's a world, I refuse to believe that any potential free trade deal post-Brexit will be as good as the ones we're throwing away. It would be nice if I were wrong, but we won't find out for at least 5 years either way.

2)And you keep stating it's remainers who refuse to believe, but that would be like claiming that a percentage of people refuse to believe the Earth is flat. You're claiming a falsehood, and you know it (or you're too stupid to understand what you're doing).



3)I don't give a shit about whether a speech is positive about May or not. Is it factually accurate?

And why is whether the moderator is glamorous or a Paxman f-ing relevant?
1) Brexit is happening, increased trade/FTA with non-EU countries will be essential. Why not discuss it?

2) I said remain "posters", (I did add a 'smiley').

3) "Is it factually accurate"? why not read it and find out? It is only a thread below, not a world away!

(As to the moderator Nidhi Razdan--it was just something 'light hearted' to add to the post.
She is in fact brilliant at her job as a chief anchor of NDTV)
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Old Jul 4th 2017, 1:12 pm
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Originally Posted by iano View Post
Yes, the Euro has weakened significantly as well.

"I think that is a reflection of the euro area, in terms of them winning global trade gains due to the weak euro," Chris Williamson, chief business economist at IHS Markit, said. The euro is 17 percent weaker against the U.S. dollar than at the end of 2014, despite a recent rally.
"It's not so much that the UK is doing badly, it's just that the euro zone is doing very well at the same time," said Williamson.
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Old Jul 4th 2017, 1:59 pm
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Yes, the Euro has weakened significantly as well.
The Euro has weakened ?, have you been watching the FX markets .
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Originally Posted by EMR View Post
The Euro has weakened ?, have you been watching the FX markets .
I was quoting the link provided by iano to say how badly the UK was doing.

The link used a start date of end 2014 for the euro. As can be seen, picking your start and finish dates can make a big difference to ones argument.

XE: EUR / USD Currency Chart. Euro to US Dollar Rates
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
Yes, the Euro has weakened significantly as well.
Weak Euro ... Eurozone doing ''very well''
Weak Pound ... UK ''weakest performer''

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Why hasn't unemployment come down significantly in the Eurozone to reflect this?
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Old Jul 4th 2017, 3:29 pm
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Eurozone unemployment rate remains at 8-year low
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They exported their unemployed to wash cars and pick cabbages in the UK
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From your link:

Official figures show that unemployment across the 19-country eurozone remained at an eight-year low in May.

Eurostat said Monday that the unemployment rate was unchanged at 9.3 percent. That's the lowest since March 2009, when unemployment was rising markedly following the global financial crisis.

Over the month, the statistics agency said the number of people out of work fell by a modest 5,000 to 15.03 million.

Not exactly a time for high-fives all round, is it? This is not a significant drop, and remember this is the summer season when unemployment usually drops dramatically.

I am surprised you posted this link.
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