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Old Jun 16th 2017, 12:06 pm
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate View Post
Columbus, Cook, Magellan, Livingstone,Amundsen etc.
Columbus got lost and then his explorations resulted in genocide, Cook was killed and eaten, Magellan was killed, Livingstone died of malaria and dysentery, and Amundsen disappeared at sea.

Otherwise, all good....
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Old Jun 16th 2017, 12:48 pm
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Brexit negotiations are due to start on Monday and despite the UK having received the EU's positioning papers, standard practice apparently, there's still no sign of the UK's papers.

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Brexit negotiations are due to start on Monday and despite the UK having received the EU's positioning papers, standard practice apparently, there's still no sign of the UK's papers.

Strong and stable.
"The lady's not for turning up"
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Old Jun 16th 2017, 12:55 pm
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"The lady's not for turning up"
'ere Lion, just heard Philip Hammond on the wireless cranking up the pressure and parroting the Labour line of prioritising work and jobs. The Treasury is right behind him too.

Wibbly wobbly May is looking increasingly unstable.
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The supply of EU educated nurses has not been "cut off", why should they not continue to apply once the present uncertainty has been settled.
Twice as many have come from non-EU countries, they are also trained.
I've always suspected that the important thing with Brexit is to show the EU how inferior it is (especially since it was discovered Britain can't actually have all the benefits with none of the burdens).

No worries, we'll get everything we need (including wads of immigrant labour) from "other places", just to show 'em who's boss. At least it won't be coming from Europe. After all, Brexit means Brexit.
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Old Jun 16th 2017, 1:15 pm
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Meanwhile, Europe is just keeping calm and moving on...

A ‘European Spring’ Has Sprung

A wind of change is sweeping through the European Union. 2016 and 2017 will go down in the history books as years of unprecedented turmoil. A steep increase in nationalism, but referendums aside, no breakthrough to mainstream politics in Europe. Are we now witnessing the first signs of renewal in the form of a “European spring”? After years marked by tensions and discontent, there is a breeze of optimism, expectation and hope in the air.

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Old Jun 16th 2017, 1:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Scamp View Post
So what will we do?

Just bob around in the North Atlantic wondering how to import that Audi we want?
You don't need to be in the EU or single market to buy an Audi from Germany.
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Old Jun 16th 2017, 1:21 pm
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
Brexit has turned out to be the most "embarrassing" event in British history. It is an act of a small group of ideological fundamentalists committed to a fantasy of reviving (quite "undemocratic") imperial glory, sold to a gullible electorate on the basis of false premises and fearmongering, employing a "democratic" process that diabolically provides illusory justification for it, regardless of the consequences.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Brexit means Brexit (whatever that means).
It's not embarrassing at all, unless you are a pro-EU zealot.

When you say "small group" you mean 52% of the UK voting public right?

Ah, the "gullible electorate" meme - if only they were as astute and intellectually robust as you they would have all voted remain eh?
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Old Jun 16th 2017, 1:28 pm
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So who the hell in their right mind would choose to venture into uncharted territory without a plan ? Oh yes, the likes of you, manch !

Still, in the meantime we can always blame the EU for drafting a shoddy Article 50, that Baron Kerr of Kinlochard GCMG needs shooting.

Jeez.
Venturing into uncharted territory is what made Britain great - if we left it to the timid we'd have ended up a poor backward society like Ireland.
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Old Jun 16th 2017, 1:38 pm
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But I thought the idea was to reduce immigration!
It was - we can choose to have limited numbers of trained nurses rather than uncontrolled volumes of big-issue sellers and car cleaners.
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Old Jun 16th 2017, 1:58 pm
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Meanwhile, Europe is just keeping calm and moving on...

A ‘European Spring’ Has Sprung

A wind of change is sweeping through the European Union. 2016 and 2017 will go down in the history books as years of unprecedented turmoil. A steep increase in nationalism, but referendums aside, no breakthrough to mainstream politics in Europe. Are we now witnessing the first signs of renewal in the form of a “European spring”? After years marked by tensions and discontent, there is a breeze of optimism, expectation and hope in the air.

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Weren’t the years ‘2008 – NOW’ the years of unprecedented turmoil, and isn’t the problem still with you? Talk about ignoring the facts. These high-fives links of yours (written by a Member of the European Parliament!) display self-glorification and nothing else. Good luck with it.

Without wishing to put a dampener on things remember what happened to the Arab Spring.
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Old Jun 16th 2017, 2:08 pm
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Venturing into uncharted territory is what made Britain great - if we left it to the timid we'd have ended up a poor backward society like Ireland.
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It was - we can choose to have limited numbers of trained nurses rather than uncontrolled volumes of big-issue sellers and car cleaners.
It's comments like these that make it difficult to have rational discussions.

I mean, wtf?
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Old Jun 16th 2017, 2:10 pm
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'ere Lion, just heard Philip Hammond on the wireless cranking up the pressure and parroting the Labour line of prioritising work and jobs. The Treasury is right behind him too.

Wibbly wobbly May is looking increasingly unstable.
It's all a bit of a mess, isn't it. The Tories are scrambling to talk about some of the issues addressed in the Labour manifesto, which they had completely ignored; they aren't behind their own party leader; and none of them are ready to talk with the EU next week. Mind-boggling.

Meanwhile, Corbyn is playing Glasto
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It's comments like these that make it difficult to have rational discussions.

I mean, wtf?
What's the problem with choosing the quality and quantity of migrants - most countries do it.
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Old Jun 16th 2017, 2:23 pm
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Weren’t the years ‘2008 – NOW’ the years of unprecedented turmoil, and isn’t the problem still with you? Talk about ignoring the facts. These high-fives links of yours (written by a Member of the European Parliament!) display self-glorification and nothing else. Good luck with it.

Without wishing to put a dampener on things remember what happened to the Arab Spring.
Certainly a member of European Parliament would be far more knowledgeable than the isolated Brexit bunch who've so far exhibited precious little understanding of the EU, or what Brexit means.

Anyway, claiming the source is dubious just isn't a tangible argument. The populist movement behind Brexit is yesterday's news (as a matter of record), European economic growth is amongst the world's best (as a matter of record), and Britain's unfortunate choices have lead it (as a matter of record), and are leading it into at least a decade of political and economic turmoil, which, assuming Brexit actually happens, will ultimately lead to significant political and economic downsizing.

These are not secrets or some deluded interpretations. In fairness, yes, they are still being dismissed by those who'd wish it to be otherwise, but again, reality has a funny way of sorting things out. In Britain's case, it's already underway. It's a bit like denying climate change, as the temperature rises, ice caps melt, and sea levels rise... Climate change? Hooey!
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