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Fredbargate Jun 15th 2017 6:12 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by GeniB (Post 12273244)
Ah Bless... would that be with the owl and pussycat in a pea green boat?:starsmile:

So on who's terms would it be then?

Other than those of the UK and of course the other party as is normal in any negotiations.

GeniB Jun 15th 2017 6:20 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by robin1234 (Post 12273098)
Yes, but that doesn't alter the fact that parliament is sovereign, and so all referendums are merely advisory.

NO no no... Don't you remember We LOST Sovereignty... to um... Brussels..We can't have it...and lose it ..at the same time.. Can we?:confused:

GeniB Jun 15th 2017 6:26 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 12273471)
So on who's terms would it be then?

Other than those of the UK and of course the other party as is normal in any negotiations.

Well Fred.Thats the whole point of this endless discussion. Nobody in the Brexit camp has been able (or willing it seems) to actually lay those terms on the table. They much prefer to shout slogans, to confuse both camps. To put British business's in jeopardy. and to p**s off the entire nation and the EU.

But ok.. If you have a plan? :confused:

Fredbargate Jun 15th 2017 6:28 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12272756)
You really do live in the past. " on its own terms ".

Please explain then on who's terms will the UK use.

Scamp Jun 15th 2017 6:31 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by GeniB (Post 12273480)
Well Fred.Thats the whole point of this endless discussion. Nobody in the Brexit camp has been able (or willing it seems) to actually lay those terms on the table. They much prefer to shout slogans, to confuse both camps. To put British business's in jeopardy. and to p**s off the entire nation and the EU.

But ok.. If you have a plan? :confused:

:goodpost:

It's also wise to remember that the rest of the EU simply don't give a shit if we have a plan or not. Most are totally nonplussed about our talk of 'hard' or 'soft' Brexit.

Many EU leaders are keen to defend the integrity of the EU and see it remains successful. If Britain needs to suffer to ensure it thrives and remains strong then why would they give a shit?

The arrogance of some Brexit voters is genuinely astonishing.

amideislas Jun 15th 2017 6:35 am

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Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12273101)
Anti-democratic hard-core remainers just embarrass themselves with that sort of backtracking. They're acting like children who have been told "no" for the first time.

Brexit has turned out to be the most "embarrassing" event in British history. It is an act of a small group of ideological fundamentalists committed to a fantasy of reviving (quite "undemocratic") imperial glory, sold to a gullible electorate on the basis of false premises and fearmongering, employing a "democratic" process that diabolically provides illusory justification for it, regardless of the consequences.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Brexit means Brexit (whatever that means).

GeniB Jun 15th 2017 6:42 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12273487)
Brexit has turned out to be the most "embarrassing" event in British history. It is an act of a small group of ideological fundamentalists committed to a fantasy of reviving (quite "undemocratic") imperial glory, sold to a gullible electorate on the basis of false premises and fearmongering, employing a "democratic" process that diabolically provides illusory justification for it, regardless of the consequences.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Brexit means Brexit (whatever that means).

I think your also saying 'We've been HAD folks' :starsmile:

EMR Jun 15th 2017 7:11 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 12273481)
Please explain then on who's terms will the UK use.

The best the UK can get, being the side in the negotiation with the greatest need.

Fredbargate Jun 15th 2017 7:17 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12273507)
The best the UK can get, being the side in the negotiation with the greatest need.

Please explain

EMR Jun 15th 2017 7:26 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 12273511)
Please explain

We are the one leaving, we are the one who NEEDS a tariff free access to the EU markets.

Assanah Jun 15th 2017 7:32 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12273514)
We are the one leaving, we are the one who NEEDS a tariff free access to the EU markets.

...or free access to the Chinese or US or Canadian or Brazilian market...or the need to be part of the WTO....all non-british countries and organisations that will set the terms for Britain.

Fredbargate Jun 15th 2017 7:41 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Assanah (Post 12272689)
We have discussed this many times. But just in case you haven't noticed there​ is a whole big world (aka India) out there with billions of customers to replace the British. The EU is going global honey 🍯


Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 12272724)
So is the UK darling

On it's own terms


Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12272756)
You really do live in the past. " on its own terms ".


Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12273507)
The best the UK can get, being the side in the negotiation with the greatest need.


Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 12273511)
Please explain


Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12273514)
We are the one leaving, we are the one who NEEDS a tariff free access to the EU markets.

Were we not talking about global trade?
.
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amideislas Jun 15th 2017 8:00 am

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Britain already trades globally under many different trade agreements - 759 of them. All of which will be null and void the day it officially leaves. By all accounts, even in the best of conditions, it will likely require a generation to renegotiate them all.

And as Britain downsizes its political and economic influence, along with the inevitable economic struggles it will endure in the interim, Britain will possess rather limited leverage in negotiating those trade agreements, and will be necessarily inclined to capitulate to the demands of the other parties.

Global Britain. Strong and Stable.

jimenato Jun 15th 2017 8:15 am

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Trade agreements - in fact any bi-or-multilateral agreements are never 'on our terms' - they are always a compromise.

You always have to subordinate some national self-determination (laws?) to the agreement.

We do to NATO and to the UN and to any other international organisations we are members of.

Any trade agreements we manage to make will be 'on our terms' exactly as much as our agreement with the EU is 'on our terms'.

EMR Jun 15th 2017 8:16 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 12273526)
Were we not talking about global trade?
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.

So you believe we can set the terms for that as well?


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