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Old Mar 8th 2019, 4:19 pm
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
Except your message wasn't clearly referring to that.

The EU put the backstop in as a way to help Ireland dismantle the UK and hold GB over a barrel. May did not let them split the UK, but didn't see clearly enough that the trap would not be acceptable to British MPs.
Not how I read the article. It's been put in as attempt to avoid a hard border. It's effect may be that it facilitates a UK dismantle, but I don't think that was the intention. It's an unintended consequence, many more to come under Brexit.


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Default Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc

Well, the first of the shutters are set to roll down....
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8813571.html
Things may escalate now; maybe once this weekend's over, others will have joined in ......
Aaahhh. I believe it's called 'risk evaluation', but of course our Secessionist Ranters' will come & mansplain it to you all.
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but of course our Secessionist Ranters' will come & mansplain it to you all.
With their inability to comprehend they will doubtless erupt with more spurious BS!

And cue...
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Default Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc

Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
Except your message wasn't clearly referring to that.

The EU put the backstop in as a way to help Ireland dismantle the UK and hold GB over a barrel. May did not let them split the UK, but didn't see clearly enough that the trap would not be acceptable to British MPs.
Paranoia. Or just plain nonsense.

Why on earth would the EU be spending any time at all plotting on how to break up the UK? Instability is the only enemy.
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Old Mar 8th 2019, 5:02 pm
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Default Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc

Originally Posted by 007Steve View Post
Well, the first of the shutters are set to roll down....
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8813571.html
Things may escalate now; maybe once this weekend's over, others will have joined in ......
Aaahhh. I believe it's called 'risk evaluation', but of course our Secessionist Ranters' will come & mansplain it to you all.
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With their inability to comprehend they will doubtless erupt with more spurious BS!

And cue...
What a ridiculous remainiac headline.

Belgium tells companies to halt exports to UK after March 29
When of course it's not "Belgium" saying anything, but merely the customs authority suggesting that exporters try to ship to the UK before the 29th and to pause just afterwards to allow the new systems to come online.

“Who are we as customs to give the business world instructions? But we are still asking the SMEs and all other parties to wait. Do the necessary export to your customers before 29 March,” he told Belgian business newspaper De Tijd.

Mr Vanderwaeren said larger industries “such as pharmaceutical companies and car manufacturers” had been “storing stock in the UK for months” to avoid having to get parts through after Brexit
Perfectly sensible stuff, no "shutters coming down".

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Default Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
Current polls suggest that the 52% isn't 52% any more.
Remember what the polls suggested before the referendum?
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
Except your message wasn't clearly referring to that.

The EU put the backstop in as a way to help Ireland dismantle the UK and hold GB over a barrel. May did not let them split the UK, but didn't see clearly enough that the trap would not be acceptable to British MPs.
Early, long Friday lunch still a tradition in your world..
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I'm simply defending the principle of everybody's votes being equal in a democracy. Part of that, also means accepting the limitations that exist in any democratic system. You and some others here seem to struggle with that concept.
Yep, and there's some fundamental non-negotiable truths such as the democratically arrived at decision to leave the UK - it cannot be overturned no matter how much the losers kick, scream and shout.
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I don't think that needs too much defending with regard to a slightly lighthearted remark about a meals in restaurants analogy when it comes to sovereignty.

With regard to Corbyn, I think I stand alone here in having correctly identified his personal stance with regard to Brexit - more than once, in response to comments to the contrary, I have posted that he voted Remain in 2016 and is on record from long ago as having said that in the hypothetical event of there being a 2nd referendum, he would vote Remain again (this at a time, incidentally, when Theresa May was steadfastly refusing to give an answer to that question when put to her). It's no particular surprise to me that it's now been made clear that he would campaign for Remain should one be forthcoming.

I can, however, see the difficulties involved in reconciling that position with leading the party and the tricky matters relating to the timing of decisions, announcements and actions.
You don't know that he voted remain and he doesn't support membership of the EU. Over several decades he never has done and never will. Sorry to break it to you but to believe otherwise is pure delusion.
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Old Mar 8th 2019, 5:24 pm
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Default Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc

Originally Posted by paulry View Post
Yep, and there's some fundamental non-negotiable truths such as the democratically arrived at decision to leave the UK - it cannot be overturned no matter how much the losers kick, scream and shout.
The UK is governed by our governmental, parliamentary system NOT by referendum, that is the fundamental, non negotiable truth.
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You've got remainers posting on BE that brexit is a conspiracy by the USA or that the UK is becoming an apartheid country. Perhaps the false knowledge amongst voters cancels itself out?
You might be onto something there
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What a ridiculous remainiac headline.
See, the usual ad hom response.
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This report by the European Scrutiny Committee makes some interesting reading

https://www.parliament.uk/business/c...blished-17-19/

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Remember what the polls suggested before the referendum?
Hold another vote and find out then? Surely you want to be democratic?
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Originally Posted by paulry View Post
Yep, and there's some fundamental non-negotiable truths such as the democratically arrived at decision to leave the UK - it cannot be overturned no matter how much the losers kick, scream and shout.
So what will you do if the voters have changed their minds?

Or is that not allowed?
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