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Old Mar 7th 2019, 9:43 am
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
There are no automotive jobs losses due to Brexit - you've fallen for project fear. Look at diesel, fraud and the EU:Japan FTA for any culprits.

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You've fallen for Project Denial. A few days ago the news reported investment in the auto industry 2015-2018 has decreased by 80% care to explain ?

BMW have said they will move Mini production to Holland or Czech if there is a hard Brexit. They've explicitly said that. Do you have a conspiracy theory for that too?

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Old Mar 7th 2019, 9:44 am
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Originally Posted by jimenato View Post
Who? Where?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...mays-offering/

The former head of MI6 and dozens of senior academics have said a no-deal Brexit would be far better for Britain than Theresa May’s “disastrous” deal.

Sir Richard Dearlove said there would be “no tangible benefits” from a Brexit conducted under Mrs May’s deal, which would merely “prolong the agony”.

In a letter to The Daily Telegraph, he is joined by 33 academics and business leaders who say that a no deal Brexit would offer “immediate opportunities”.

It came as the Governor of the Bank of England admitted his previous predictions of the impact of no deal had been too gloomy.
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Old Mar 7th 2019, 9:47 am
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
There are no automotive jobs losses due to Brexit - you've fallen for project fear. Look at diesel, fraud and the EU:Japan FTA for any culprits.

Plenty of retailers have closed during our membership of the EU - look for the changing nature of retail and online purchases for any culprits.

Farming has been over protected for decades - you seem to think we need to import hundreds of thousands of migrants to work on our farms, so any reduction in labour requirement will just result in less labour imported.
Where are all these well paid manufacturing jobs, in fact any well paid jobs coming from in your Brexit Nirvana.
I did not say the changes are all brexit related, although some are.
But as we know the only thing that concerns you is your anti migrant OCD, not what is best for the UK,its economy, m its peoples and security.
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Originally Posted by jimenato View Post
But significantly either will be damaging.

Finally - we have it.
The decision is to leave - unless you want to go the anti-democratic route?
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Old Mar 7th 2019, 9:53 am
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The Torygraph, so not an unbiased independent source then..
When did the retired head of MI6 become an economics expert..
The current head of MI6 has been asked to stay in post longer over rising security concerns in a post Brexit UK.

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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
Out of interest, do you have any data on the "lots" - what sort of numbers are we talking about in a country of 65M - 100,000?

Of course the normal ebb and flow of wealthy people avoiding income tax can be discounted as that has happened throughout our membership of the EU and is therefore not related to Brexit.
Its a fair point but I am guessing others will argue differently. Of course back in the days before we joined the Common Market now known as the EU a number of wealthy individuals left the UK due to how much tax they had to pay on their wealth.
Fast forward to today the population has increased and so have the number of individuals who are considered wealthy to the numbers we had in the 70's. I guess some could claim Brexit is a significant reason for leaving but how many would actually state on the record Im leaving because I dont want to pay a shit load of taxes on my well deserved income while living in the UK be it an independent country or part of the EU.

Not Brexit related but why have Amazon just shelved to build a mega warehouse HQ in New York? Was it because they didnt get the tax breaks they wanted? Corporations and businesses will move to wherever they can get the best deal within reason. How many UK manufacturers or UK companies moved before Brexit was even conceived?
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Old Mar 7th 2019, 10:09 am
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Very well done and oh so true!

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So when are you going to move back to the UK, ?
hear, hear.
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Originally Posted by Steerpike View Post
OMG I got my numbers crossed! Thanks for catching that! It's been a while since I bothered to convert units.

I was thinking fluid ounces to the pint ... there are 16 US fluid ounces to the US pint, and 20 imperial fluid ounces to the imperial pint. (there's also a small difference between US fl oz and imperial fl oz but not a big difference).
There are 8 pints to the gallon (us and uk). Thus, a US pint and a US gallon are smaller than their UK/imperial counterparts (by a ratio of 16:20)
Let me re-run the calculations
My sincere apologies; it was not my intention to mislead. Don't even know yet whether my mistake helps or hinders my argument !!
I don't think it'll matter too much Steerpike. While there's much in what you say, the unfortunate truth is that this whole process has now become highjacked by the extremists of more than two sides. I wonder if the depth of how the UK is currently riven, and imo, likely to resolve by potential dissolution, is covered in the US?
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Spot the difference with the previous version



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Spot the difference with the previous version


Errmmm.... Ress Mogg has his top-hat on ??? .... Nope, can't see anything else that's changed too much... ... Ah-Ha!!! Aaron Banks hasn't got his chequebook with him !!!... Is that it?

But, by way of a public information function, in case anyone's not seen it, this is on the Eurotunnel site
https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/brexit-promise/
You see ? Brits do get something for their £33M His Highness Mr. Grayling decided the UK taxpayer needed to pay out ...
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Originally Posted by paulry View Post
The decision is to leave - unless you want to go the anti-democratic route?
Yes - and it's damaging.

Not quite as damaging as it might be.

So that's OK then.

What a mess.
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Old Mar 7th 2019, 12:25 pm
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I don't think it'll matter too much Steerpike. While there's much in what you say, the unfortunate truth is that this whole process has now become highjacked by the extremists of more than two sides. I wonder if the depth of how the UK is currently riven, and imo, likely to resolve by potential dissolution, is covered in the US?
There's nothing extreme in wanting to remain in the EU. Continuing a 40+ year relationship with our international neighbours and all the peace and prosperity that has brought. If it wasn't for cynical press winding up the general public with untruth upon truth, the British attitude towards the EU would be the same as in Europe, an imperfect but unifying institution.


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There's nothing extreme in wanting to remain in the EU. Continuing a 40+ year relationship with our international neighbours and all the peace and prosperity that has brought. If it wasn't for cynical press winding up the general public with untruth upon truth, the British attitude towards the EU would be the same as in Europe, an imperfect but unifying institution.

There you go being all rational and normal
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The decision is to leave - unless you want to go the anti-democratic route?
Suggestion.

The government has followed it. Parliament has yet to have its final say on the wisdom of continuing to do so down the same plughole route without further ado or whether to change tack or consult the public again in some way.
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