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Old Sep 22nd 2018, 9:53 am
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Originally Posted by EMR View Post
So where are all of those who said the the EU needs the UK more than we need it.
That negotiating a new trade deal would be easy peasy.
It was just a load of Brexit boll*****, was,n,t it.
Probably crying in to their Prosecco.
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Old Sep 22nd 2018, 1:03 pm
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Anything short of total disaster will now be spun as a great victory in the management of this entirely self-inflicted and unnecessary wound.
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Old Sep 23rd 2018, 10:52 pm
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We all know the original vote was about protest and overall dissatisfaction in people’s lives. Many, if not most, never thought it would pass. Many voted to leave just to be provocative. Given the momentous impact on the long term future (to put it mildly), a second serious vote is desperately needed to confirm the country’s actual intentions.
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Old Sep 24th 2018, 1:57 am
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We all know the original vote was about protest and overall dissatisfaction in people’s lives. Many, if not most, never thought it would pass. Many voted to leave just to be provocative. Given the momentous impact on the long term future (to put it mildly), a second serious vote is desperately needed to confirm the country’s actual intentions.
Really? How do you know that?
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Really? How do you know that?
Subseqient polling and voter analysis showing motivations behind the vote. Do a search on the analysis and voter opinion sampling.
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Old Sep 24th 2018, 7:57 am
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We all know the original vote was about protest and overall dissatisfaction in people’s lives. Many, if not most, never thought it would pass. Many voted to leave just to be provocative. Given the momentous impact on the long term future (to put it mildly), a second serious vote is desperately needed to confirm the country’s actual intentions.
The support for a second vote amongst Labour party conference members seems to be running at 80%. If Jezza decides to call for a second referendum, it may be a game changer.
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The support for a second vote amongst Labour party conference members seems to be running at 80%. If Jezza decides to call for a second referendum, it may be a game changer.
It'll make things interesting but I don't think Labour have a hope in hell of getting in with him as leader.
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Sad losers still having childish tantrums because a vote didn't go their way two years ago and they cannot man up and adapt to a change in circumstances.

That's what I think will happen (and the evidence for it is right here in this thread as well as others on BE and different areas of the internet).
Your name says it all. especially the 'controller ' bit.

What bit of the referendum did you swallow and accept.? So you like being lied too? The people who question dubious decisions , made under duress, and with the help of liars are not having 'childish tantrums' or 'sad losers' ( such mature intelligent language ) They are people who object to having the wool pulled over their eyes and are asking for the truth.
Because they have objected ,because they have demanded the truth, those lies have slowly been revealed. The private agenda of the present government has only partially seen the light of day. We now know that Rees Mogg has a 60 million pound investment in a dubious Russian bank that he would rather the EU didn't investigate. Boris was overly pally with Trump.As was Farage and his gang. Intelligent people need to know this facts You are obviously in a different league
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Originally Posted by jimenato View Post
It'll make things interesting but I don't think Labour have a hope in hell of getting in with him as leader.
Very true but they will need to suffers a defeat at the polls for the party to realise that ..
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Old Sep 24th 2018, 11:21 am
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Hard to say on Corbyn, if there's enough pro-Eu hope swimming about non-Labour voters might be prepared to vote with gritted teeth if they thought it might reverse Brexit. In any case, an election where the EU is the critical topic (too far down the road last time) might rebalance the Conservatives too, and quash the ERG aspirations.
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Originally Posted by jimenato View Post
It'll make things interesting but I don't think Labour have a hope in hell of getting in with him as leader.
All he has done this weekend is provided further evidence if ever it was needed that he is a first class arsehole.
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It'll make things interesting but I don't think Labour have a hope in hell of getting in with him as leader.
It will be even worse now. My understanding is that he is popular with the student vote and the former LibDem circuit but unpopular with older voters in the traditional Labour heartlands. All this will do is make those heartland areas dislike him even more than they do now and the student vote is a shallow vote at best.
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It will be even worse now. My understanding is that he is popular with the student vote and the former LibDem circuit but unpopular with older voters in the traditional Labour heartlands. All this will do is make those heartland areas dislike him even more than they do now and the student vote is a shallow vote at best.
Ironic isn't it that the leave vote was to a large extent made up of the traditional working class labour heartlanders and remain by natural Tories.

So we're now in the position that a labour government might just be brought to power by Tory voters, opposed by traditional labour voters.

Crazy world.
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All he has done this weekend is provided further evidence if ever it was needed that he is a first class arsehole.
I guess you don't agree with something ? But what ....
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Old Sep 24th 2018, 1:38 pm
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All he has done this weekend is provided further evidence if ever it was needed that he is a first class arsehole.
Who in spite of his Tory bashing is totally clueless on Brexit, as clearly portrayed on the Marr programme.
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