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Old Jun 9th 2020, 3:29 pm
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Default Police & Law Enforcement Body Cams.

Are currently a topic of discussion. Vast majority want them. OK I am in agreement with them but at the moment the perfect one doesn't exist.

Should they have an On/Off switch? Or is there technology around that ensures when it is placed on an officer at the start of their shift it starts recording and shuts off at the end of their shift. Apparently it does and I will post a link.
Batteries: As the average shift of an officer can vary from say 8 to 12 hours and longer if having to work overtime are these available.
Video quality of recording: As we have seen the quality varies but HD recording is available. Video format?
Field of View: What do you actually see or is there something off to one side or behind the officer that the officer sees that the camera doesn't capture.
Audio: A must so you can hear what was said by all. Optional Mute button?
Drop Test; Camera must survive impact if dropped to preserve recording.
Temperature; Dependent where used it can be bloody cold or hot so must have a temperature range suitable for operation. Check out Temps of Grand Forks, Minnesota for an example.
Recording time:
Warranty: Like everything in life stuff stops working. If a camera is not working do you have extras on hand as you really cant send out an officer not wearing one.
Buffering: Must have pre event buffering.
Storage: Where is it stored and for how long? Recent case in UK where person kept their smart phone recording of an event 5 years ago so I would hope we want the Body cam recording from 5 years ago.

This is just one example of the type of one currently available

https://www.axon.com/products/axon-body-3

We haven't even discussed Privacy issues
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US Police have been using them for years, I find it odd Canadian police forces somehow find every excuse not to use them. More like they don't want the public seeing what they do.

Look at what police do when wearing a camera, who knows what they are doing when there are no cameras around.

I'd imagine many of the issues you mention have been resolved over the years with real life testing in the US.

The officer should have the option to turn the camera on/off but the department needs to have strict guidelines in place in where and why an officer may turn it off, and also have random reviews by a civilian agency to audit officers camera footage and ensure said policies are being followed.

There are times when a camera shouldn't be on, such as a medical emergency, people in medical distress should not be recorded.

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Default Re: Police & Law Enforcement Body Cams.

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The officer should have the option to turn the camera on/off but the department needs to have strict guidelines in place in where and why an officer may turn it off, and also have random reviews by a civilian agency to audit officers camera footage and ensure said policies are being followed.

There are times when a camera shouldn't be on, such as a medical emergency, people in medical distress should not be recorded.
I realize that there are privacy issues, but I think the genie is long out of the bottle. There are CCTV cameras everywhere, everyone's carrying a smartphone with camera around with them these days. If you're in the public space, you have to expect that you're going to be filmed. Whether it's a good thing or not, I think it's now inevitable.

In view of that, we might as well accept that we're going to be filmed when we interact with a police officer. Ultimately it's in the interests of both parties, in the same way that emergency calls are automatically recorded.

Allowing officers to turn the camera off is essentially saying that the officers have the right to decide what is recorded.

The question is what happens to the footage. But I could envisage a procedure whereby it automatically goes (unviewed by default) into a temporary archive that is then deleted after a period of time unless a view request is made, for which there should be a defined procedure.
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They do need to be able to turn them off for short spells, for example when they're having a dump.

Another factor is all too often cameras aren't working, duff batteries, flat batteries during shift, etc. I remember that problem from years back -there always seemed to be one thing or another wrong with radio comms.
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everyone's carrying a smartphone with camera around with them these days.
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There are times when a camera shouldn't be on, such as a medical emergency, people in medical distress should not be recorded.
Just need a bit of clarification on this bit. Unless the medical emergency or people in medical distress is not the result of a road traffic accident, some criminal activity (assault) or the officer just happened to be on the spot and trying to assist then why would the police even be there?
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Just need a bit of clarification on this bit. Unless the medical emergency or people in medical distress is not the result of a road traffic accident, some criminal activity (assault) or the officer just happened to be on the spot and trying to assist then why would the police even be there?

In the US in some areas police respond to medical emergencies.

Mental health emergencies almost always result in police being on scene as well. In Vancouver police are the primary agency to respond to mental health calls not paramedics.
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In the US in some areas police respond to medical emergencies.

Mental health emergencies almost always result in police being on scene as well. In Vancouver police are the primary agency to respond to mental health calls not paramedics.
OK seems reasonable however I am just not talking about the US. What about Canada, the UK and as of March 2019 not all did. Is someone having a heart attack at home a medical emergency and why do the police need to attend? Man trips over the kerb and cuts his head open etc etc

This is the discussion going on about defunding the police and allocating funds to other areas and clearly defining their roles. The role of the police clearly needs defining and if the powers that be determine that the police need to attend all medical emergencies and mental health calls in conjunction with other agencies then redistribution of funds may be not as simple as some think.
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In the US in some areas police respond to medical emergencies.

Mental health emergencies almost always result in police being on scene as well. In Vancouver police are the primary agency to respond to mental health calls not paramedics.
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OK seems reasonable however I am just not talking about the US. What about Canada
Like Vancouver, Canada?

There's a case currently going on in Edmundston NB where a woman was shot by a cop called to do a (mental health) wellness check.
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Like Vancouver, Canada?

There's a case currently going on in Edmundston NB where a woman was shot by a cop called to do a (mental health) wellness check.
I know but Vancouver isn't all of Canada Yes I saw that so again the politics come into it as everyone is after more money or keeping the money they receive to provide their services.
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Just did some rough calculations:
1 minute of HD video (1080p @ 30fps) uses around 120MB of data
So, 1 officer on an 8-hour shift would use ~57GB of data.

NYPD has approximately 36,000 officers (nyc.gov).

That's roughly 2,000TB of data per day (750PB per year).

That is a boatload of data.
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Originally Posted by chawkins99 View Post
Just did some rough calculations:
1 minute of HD video (1080p @ 30fps) uses around 120MB of data
So, 1 officer on an 8-hour shift would use ~57GB of data.

NYPD has approximately 36,000 officers (nyc.gov).

That's roughly 2,000TB of data per day (750PB per year).

That is a boatload of data.
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Originally Posted by chawkins99 View Post
Just did some rough calculations:
1 minute of HD video (1080p @ 30fps) uses around 120MB of data
So, 1 officer on an 8-hour shift would use ~57GB of data.

NYPD has approximately 36,000 officers (nyc.gov).

That's roughly 2,000TB of data per day (750PB per year).

That is a boatload of data.
Very true and a good point, but what price for truth and justice?

How long would all that daily data need to be held for?
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Very true and a good point, but what price for truth and justice?

How long would all that daily data need to be held for?
To be decided. Are you aware of the case in the UK where a persons cell phone video from 5 years ago is now being reviewed to see if the officer was being racist? Does that video show everything that happened or just a part of it.
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To be decided. Are you aware of the case in the UK where a persons cell phone video from 5 years ago is now being reviewed to see if the officer was being racist? Does that video show everything that happened or just a part of it.
I hadn't heard about that. And true, a cell phone video might not tell the whole story. Typically a cell phone video begins only after key or trigger events have already occurred.
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