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Old May 2nd 2020, 2:06 pm
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Originally Posted by Leslie View Post
Obviously is obvious .... steal the other side's ideology, pretend you believe in something while doing the opposite, accuse the other side of NOT believing in what they believe, claim to have moral authority because you're really the one that believes the idea that you just stole, keep yelling the same thing over and over.

WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK!!!!






Sorry, got carried away there for a minute.
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Originally Posted by robin1234 View Post
I’ve followed this thread with interest, and just reread the original post. I think it’s problematic that you chose to frame the issue in a partisan way, right vs. left ... but, since you did, my memory of the issue, going back many decades, is that it was a progressive or left-wing issue, back in the day. Left-wingers were concerned about “runaway population growth” because it threatened the progress that was being made to raise standards of living and health outcomes in developing countries, and also it threatened to cause environmental catastrophe & extinctions etc. I don’t remember the right-wingers bothering much about these type of issues, back in the 60s or 70s. They were too busy singing the Horst Wessel song or going fox hunting or whatever.
This is now and that was then. But it's an interesting point you raise. Why do you think the left abandoned the high ground and today have drifted over to doing things more like what you think the right wing did back then. Today it is the left wing who are obsessed with things like race, superiority over others, and doing elitist things. Look at how elitist the British and US political left has become. Think champaign socialists, corporate globalists, and Hollywood - all of whom love to preach to us but shamelessley don't practice themselves any of what they preach. And the so-called green left look how hypocritical they have been in their behaviour. Today, how many of them actually live the Good Life that their trailblazers aspired to back in the 70s?

And if you must hark back to the 60s and 70s (which I'm sure you don't), in places like China and Cambodia we have seen how the far left, when given the liberty to do so, delivered population reductions.

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It's also more than a little problematic when the issue is framed up as "too many people" while attempting to rubbish all the work to change how these people consume the planet, claiming that how we use the planet is not the problem. And hot on the heels of that we tend to discover that "too many people" means too many people of the wrong sort, ie those from "developing nations". If only their reproduction were controlled, allowing to rest of us to carry on as before........ If the OP were not a proponent of "replacement theory" I might be inclined to take his views more seriously. But he is, and I'm not.
But there you go again getting all hung up on replacement theory - which apart from in your fantasies, I am most definately not a proponent of. As part of a mixed race family how on earth could I be? You must be confusing it to my opposition to mass, uncontrolled immigration - a thing that you appear to be quite comfortable with, but please correct me if I'm wrong.

I would be very much interested in hearing about all the work that you think has been done to change how people consume the planet.

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I agree, previously the right was all about personal freedom (to have as many kids as you want - see Rees Mogg or Bojo) and the left were more concerned about population and its impact on the developing world and on women.
I support personal freedom, but incentives need to be put in place to kindly encourage and persuade people to have less children - no more than two children per person being the target. A tough gig but these are things that need to be discussed so that decent and acceptable solutions can be found - before the next Mau or Pol Pot comes along.

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Unfortunately the left have traveled down a virtue-signalling victim-culture dead-end where, as you can see from LiW's post, any discussion about reducing population is now an attack on the poor/non-white and instead we should allow for more billions but who are all equally poor and denuded in their lifestyles and comfort.
Yep. Good luck with turning that mentality around.
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What an odd thread.

I'm agreeing with some of the things paulry's saying and wondering what Lion's going on about.
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So, the "right" is now pro-family planning, pro-choice and supporting legal and safe universal access to inexpensive abortion? Woo-hoo, I can vote Republican again.
I did not know you were a Republican.

Interesting.
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I did not know you were a Republican.

Interesting.
Mmmm, whoda thunk it!

I wonder which Republican she voted for before.
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Mmmm, whoda thunk it!

I wonder which Republican she voted for before.
I know you don’t know a lot about American politics, but it’s quite common for US voters to vote for candidates of different parties. For instance, I’m a socialist or a progressive, and generally vote for candidates representing the Working Families Party or the Democratic Party, but for my state senator (this is in New York) I always vote Republican. This is because I know my state senator personally, I know she represents the people in her district well, and I think she does a good job in Albany.
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I know you don’t know a lot about American politics, but it’s quite common for US voters to vote for candidates of different parties. For instance, I’m a socialist or a progressive, and generally vote for candidates representing the Workers Family Party or the Democratic Party, but for my state senator (this is in New York) I always vote Republican. This is because I know my state senator personally, I know she represents the people in her district well, and I think she does a good job in Albany.
Haha, 'love the patronising tone.

However, I'm familiar with that concept. I vote for different parties at national and state level.
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I haven't been able to find a political group I could fit into, left or right. So questions based on them or arguments made about tories, republicans, democrats, communists don't invite my comments.

I've tried to find a group, I've read books and studied history, still not joined.

I don't think anyone needs a million dollars to live on, much less getting to be a billionaire off of marketing plastic clothing and lipsticks while people are still living on the streets and families are homeless. So I want standardized incomes, not scaled taxes. Capitalism got us polution and failed small businesses in most parts of the world and it gets people depressed. Then communists are atheisits and I think there is an Eternal Spirit, a Creative Intelligence that founded everything. I'm pro life but not practicing any religion and was not taught to. I think all the systems are wrong but right now we need someone strong to stop pollution and flatten the greedy so all people have enough food, shelter and necessities to live a decent life.

So I don't have any group to belong to and couldn't find myself in the left or the right side of the arguments.
I also can't blame the leaders of countries for how its all turned out over the years.
It seems dumb that people demand that governments look after them on so many levels and yet they want to be very independent and have all the freedoms at the same time.
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I did not know you were a Republican.

Interesting.
Hardly.

I would never join any club that makes me wear stupid buttons and stupid t-shirts and hold up stupid signs (that they've mass produced) and put stupid stickers on my car and stupid signs in my yard and bothers me for money and free labor. *shudder*

As a matter of fact, I wouldn't join a club under any circumstance but some are worse than others.

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Mmmm, whoda thunk it!

I wonder which Republican she voted for before.
Why on earth would you care? Like you'd know who the **** they were anyway.

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I know you don’t know a lot about American politics, but it’s quite common for US voters to vote for candidates of different parties. For instance, I’m a socialist or a progressive, and generally vote for candidates representing the Working Families Party or the Democratic Party, but for my state senator (this is in New York) I always vote Republican. This is because I know my state senator personally, I know she represents the people in her district well, and I think she does a good job in Albany.
That's because you're an adult.
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Sort of reminds me of ex smokers, I have never smoked and do not like it but the people who go completely over board about always seem to have smoked at one time.
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Sort of reminds me of ex smokers, I have never smoked and do not like it but the people who go completely over board about always seem to have smoked at one time.
I'm an ex-smoker and I hate the anti-smoking brigade. As a matter of fact, if I live to be 80 years old, I plan to take it up again. Oh and I've never been a member of any political party.

Have you always had the need to put people in little boxes and categories? Is it a brain issue? You can't understand things that don't fit into your patterns? And, even if they don't fit the pattern, you just stuff them in there anyway and pretend it works? Simply ignoring anything that doesn't "work" for you? Otherwise your brain will explode?
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Anyway, back on topic. Mods .... please change the title of the thread to PAULRY SUPPORTS ABORTION RIGHTS!
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Has anyone discussed a final solution to these inconvenient people yet?
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I'm an ex-smoker and I hate the anti-smoking brigade. As a matter of fact, if I live to be 80 years old, I plan to take it up again.


I've set the bar a little lower - at 70. Hope they're still available and I can still afford a pack by then.
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I've set the bar a little lower - at 70. Hope they're still available and I can still afford a pack by then.
Just don't buy the Chinese black market ones
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