It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
Apr 11th 2013, 2:55 am
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Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
Originally Posted by Giantaxe
Murder rate in the UK as compared to the US?
Apr 11th 2013, 2:59 am
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Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
Originally Posted by Boiler
I looked but could not find it. Seems generally accepted that knife crimes are epidemic in the UK, and it seems much more prevalent than in the US.
Apr 11th 2013, 3:36 am
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Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
Originally Posted by Boiler
How about the c 300,000 deaths a year attributed to obesity?
One every 90 seconds.
Plus the reduced life expectancy.
The UK have 30,000 knife incidents a year, so pro rata that would be equivalent to 150,000 a year in the US.
One every 90 seconds.
Plus the reduced life expectancy.
The UK have 30,000 knife incidents a year, so pro rata that would be equivalent to 150,000 a year in the US.
Obesity is mainly self-inflicted, you can't kill anyone by throwing a Big Mac at them.
Apr 11th 2013, 3:54 am
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Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing
Cool, I'm off to buy a Vickers then ...
Anyhow he had some sort of armoured car, and an Abbott self propelled gun and he used to bring them into the City when he had a court hearing. On one occasion the Abbott broke down outside my office, though when it first appeared we wondered WTF we could hear outside because it sounded like a tank coming down Fetter Lane, ...... which it more-or-less was!
The last time I heard of him he had been sent to prison for a few days after the police had pursued him through the narrow streets of Soho in his armoured car and had ripped the door mirrors off a.row of parked cars.
Apr 11th 2013, 4:04 am
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Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
Originally Posted by Pulaski
Do you remember the buffoon from Croydon, with the collection of heavy weaponry, who got into a legal argument with the local council? The case ended up at the high court. The council told him he didn't have the right planning permission to park his vehicles on his property in suburban Croydon, but they were taxed and insured, .... so him parked them in the street, which really pi$$ed off his neighbors, who had been the ones that complained to the council about them being on his property in the first place!
Anyhow he had some sort of armoured car, and an Abbott self propelled gun and he used to bring them into the City when he had a court hearing. On one occasion the Abbott broke down outside my office, though when it first appeared we wondered WTF we could hear outside because it sounded like a tank coming down Fetter Lane, ...... which it more-or-less was!
The last time I heard of him he had been sent to prison for a few days after the police had pursued him through the narrow streets of Soho in his armoured car and had ripped the door mirrors off a.row of parked cars.
Anyhow he had some sort of armoured car, and an Abbott self propelled gun and he used to bring them into the City when he had a court hearing. On one occasion the Abbott broke down outside my office, though when it first appeared we wondered WTF we could hear outside because it sounded like a tank coming down Fetter Lane, ...... which it more-or-less was!
The last time I heard of him he had been sent to prison for a few days after the police had pursued him through the narrow streets of Soho in his armoured car and had ripped the door mirrors off a.row of parked cars.
Apr 11th 2013, 4:10 am
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Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing
I never heard about that
Still looking for pictures!
http://m.thisiscroydontoday.co.uk/st...l?aid=16248492
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/287249
Found it! :
This is right outside the High Court - though not the time it broke down in Fetter Lane, just around the corner, because that time it didn't have the marlin on top, ..... it had a fibreglass pig in a police uniform!
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Apr 11th 2013, 4:53 am
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Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
Originally Posted by N1cky
What a stupid comment.
Obesity is mainly self-inflicted, you can't kill anyone by throwing a Big Mac at them.
Obesity is mainly self-inflicted, you can't kill anyone by throwing a Big Mac at them.
Apr 11th 2013, 3:13 pm
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Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
Originally Posted by N1cky
What a stupid comment.
Obesity is mainly self-inflicted, you can't kill anyone by throwing a Big Mac at them.
Obesity is mainly self-inflicted, you can't kill anyone by throwing a Big Mac at them.
Many Gun deaths/injuries are self inflicted.
The same could be said for vehicles.
The point is that is you really wanted to get the biggest bang for your buck you would focus first on the low hanging fruit, the big numbers with a possible solution rather that political theatrics.
Apr 11th 2013, 3:18 pm
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Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
Originally Posted by Pulaski
Probably the biggest thing that could be done to reduce firearms deaths in the medium to long term is to start tightening up and enforcing laws on allowing criminals, the mentally challenged, and children to obtain firearms. This should include proper security for weapons, storing them safely (unloaded), and keeping the ammunition separately and securely. Also timely reporting of a weapon being stolen. Until law abiding gun owners are held accountable for proper storage of their weapons, and punished harshly for allowing them to fall into the hands of people not fit and/or permitted to handle them, there are going to be many more Sandy Hook- like tragedies. Of course in that case the shooter killed the owner (his mother), who paid the ultimate price for her folly, but she had no business allowing him to handle the weapons, much less to take them and the ammunition (apparently) without her consent. If either the guns or the ammo had been stored securely (and both should have been) it is a unlikley events would have unfolded the way they did.
I believe this approach could be effective because it would open the door to after-the-fact determination of mental incompetence - in other words proving that, say, parents had good reason to know that their (adult) child was incompetent to handle a weapon not withstanding the lack of a prior medical determination of mental incompetence.
I believe this approach could be effective because it would open the door to after-the-fact determination of mental incompetence - in other words proving that, say, parents had good reason to know that their (adult) child was incompetent to handle a weapon not withstanding the lack of a prior medical determination of mental incompetence.
My eldest (11) is going camping this weekend to a ranch owned by one of the leaders. It's a shooting weekend with all sorts of weapons to shoot ranging from black powder to shotguns to handguns. They've been doing it for years, and all is incredibly well run by experienced, certified rangemasters, many of them ex-military. I have no concerns that it will be a safely run event, and as I am not "gun-savvy", but my kids are growing up in the environment they are, I see it as a good opportunity to learn gun safety from some sensible folk I have a lot of respect for, and trust in.
Anyway, to the point - every year when they are about to do this campout there is a reminder sent out that as it is a Scout event, the adults are not allowed to wear political slogans on their clothes - ie leave the NRA T's at home. This year one of the dads commented to me that it was a bit of a redundant email, as of the 14 NRA members that attended last year, 13 are no longer members. Just a small microcosm though, and unfortunately not reflected across the country from what I see in the press. Shame, really...
Apr 11th 2013, 3:19 pm
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Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
Originally Posted by Boiler
Judging by the number of obese children I have seen there are certainly parental assistance.
Many Gun deaths/injuries are self inflicted.
The same could be said for vehicles.
The point is that is you really wanted to get the biggest bang for your buck you would focus first on the low hanging fruit, the big numbers with a possible solution rather that political theatrics.
Many Gun deaths/injuries are self inflicted.
The same could be said for vehicles.
The point is that is you really wanted to get the biggest bang for your buck you would focus first on the low hanging fruit, the big numbers with a possible solution rather that political theatrics.
Apr 11th 2013, 3:20 pm
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Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
Originally Posted by Boiler
Judging by the number of obese children I have seen there are certainly parental assistance.
Many Gun deaths/injuries are self inflicted.
The same could be said for vehicles.
The point is that is you really wanted to get the biggest bang for your buck you would focus first on the low hanging fruit, the big numbers with a possible solution rather that political theatrics.
Many Gun deaths/injuries are self inflicted.
The same could be said for vehicles.
The point is that is you really wanted to get the biggest bang for your buck you would focus first on the low hanging fruit, the big numbers with a possible solution rather that political theatrics.
Apr 11th 2013, 3:26 pm
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Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad
Ever heard of "multi-tasking"
Apr 11th 2013, 3:35 pm
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Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad
Ever heard of "multi-tasking"
Apr 11th 2013, 3:41 pm
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Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
Originally Posted by Boiler
I have also hear of grandstanding.
Apr 11th 2013, 3:44 pm
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Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
Originally Posted by Cardienscarf
I was just going to say..... this isn't an either/or situation and one is totally irrelevant to the other.
