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Pulaski Apr 9th 2013 8:20 pm

It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
 
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/09/justic...ile-homepage-t

Granted, a gun could have injured and killed more, but tightening gun controls is not complete answer. :(

Jerseygirl Apr 9th 2013 8:22 pm

Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 10649843)
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/09/justic...ile-homepage-t

Granted, a gun could have injured and killed more, but tightening gun controls is not complete answer. :(

Just been reading about that. No doubt somebody will be along soon to say if the staff or students had guns this would not have happened.

kimilseung Apr 9th 2013 8:35 pm

Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 10649843)
Granted, a gun could have injured and killed more, but tightening gun controls is not complete answer. :(

Tightening gun control is not a complete answer, that is a truism.
No deaths from reports I am seeing. I am surprised at the injury level, one would think it easier to avoid a knife, but who knows what one does in shock and disbelief during an incident.

Bink Apr 9th 2013 8:48 pm

Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
 
Scarily, this is very very close to my house. Have been hearing sirens for quite a few hours.

Very sad news. I hope they are all okay. 14 injured last I heard.

Gingerert Apr 9th 2013 8:53 pm

Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
 
Oh no! How sad. :(

Speedwell Apr 9th 2013 9:13 pm

Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
 

Originally Posted by Bink (Post 10649887)
Scarily, this is very very close to my house. Have been hearing sirens for quite a few hours.

Very sad news. I hope they are all okay. 14 injured last I heard.

Bink, it's very close to the other office where I work too (I'm not there today though). I know a few people taking courses there; hope they're OK.

paddingtongreen Apr 9th 2013 9:22 pm

Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 10649843)
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/09/justic...ile-homepage-t

Granted, a gun could have injured and killed more, but tightening gun controls is not complete answer. :(

Given the title you used, this is a straw man, a distraction. You'll be putting up traffic deaths and injuries next, saying gun controls don't solve the problem.

Speedwell Apr 9th 2013 9:24 pm

Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
 
There's a huge difference between knives and guns. Imagine if today's attacker had had a gun. Handgun, shotgun, semiautomatic, doesn't matter. Gun control is not going to make people safe, but it will at least have a chance of protecting them from gun attacks.

Pulaski Apr 9th 2013 10:30 pm

Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
 

Originally Posted by paddingtongreen (Post 10649948)
Given the title you used, this is a straw man, a distraction. You'll be putting up traffic deaths and injuries next, saying gun controls don't solve the problem.

Most traffic accidents are not caused by people with mental illness, though a few probably are.

BTW I did specifically title this thread "It's not only about guns.... ", and NOT "It's not about guns.... ". The purpose of the thread was to discuss/ debate the observable fact that there are some deeply troubled individuals among us and passing some new gun control laws is not the complete answer. (Please note I said "... not the complete answer." and NOT "... not the answer." :) )

Sally Redux Apr 10th 2013 12:51 am

Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
 
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/09/us/ten...dmn_topstories

How many flaming guns do these twits need and why do they have to keep showing them off?

kimilseung Apr 10th 2013 1:06 am

Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
 

Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 10650281)
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/09/us/ten...dmn_topstories

How many flaming guns do these twits need and why do they have to keep showing them off?

dick-wits.

SATX John Apr 10th 2013 1:47 am

Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
 
I find it somewhat ironic that the same people that are ardent gun control supporters, can in the same breath celebrate the death of an elderly woman from their home country.

For Jersey girl, here is a student at the scene saying that exact thing:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...w-on-our-side/

Bash away because it is Fox or the Blaze, but MSNBC would never have aired it if it were their story.

As with the knee jerk gun bans in the North East, this "Bill" is already in the Texas legislature, and with this incident will most likely pass for CHL holders.

kimilseung Apr 10th 2013 2:30 am

Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
 

Originally Posted by SATX John (Post 10650364)
I find it somewhat ironic that the same people that are ardent gun control supporters, can in the same breath celebrate the death of an elderly woman from their home country.

For Jersey girl, here is a student at the scene saying that exact thing:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...w-on-our-side/

Bash away because it is Fox or the Blaze, but MSNBC would never have aired it if it were their story.

As with the knee jerk gun bans in the North East, this "Bill" is already in the Texas legislature, and with this incident will most likely pass for CHL holders.

Where is the irony?

Why does he need guns, god protected him. Absurd.

SATX John Apr 10th 2013 2:36 am

Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 10650064)
Most traffic accidents are not caused by people with mental illness, though a few probably are.

BTW I did specifically title this thread "It's not only about guns.... ", and NOT "It's not about guns.... ". The purpose of the thread was to discuss/ debate the observable fact that there are some deeply troubled individuals among us and passing some new gun control laws is not the complete answer. (Please note I said "... not the complete answer." and NOT "... not the answer." :) )

Also, I think your point goes to violent or potentially violent mental issues. That then becomes a slippery slope, especially in New York:

http://www.examiner.com/article/stat...-from-citizens

SSRI's are prescribed for many things including: OCD, premenstrual disorder, bulimia, anxiety, antiviral med and anti-smoking. Due to the current over prescriptions of meds, some folks may get labeled, and that can run against HPPA, federal law.

What is telling is the side affects of these drugs which can enhance any threat based activity in some people, albeit a minority, but murders are in the minority also.

So how do you treat a variety of medical issues, when the solution (med's) may actually enhance these tendencies in some people, while protecting those that are not violent or threatening?

Boiler Apr 10th 2013 2:36 am

Re: It's not just about guns, it's about the person holding the weapon
 
I saw this piece on CNN, and my first thought was when will Congress act?

The following piece was with the Giffords, he was shooting his Gloch with a 17 round magazine, soon to be illegal in Colorado.

What sort of example does that set?


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