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Old Sep 18th 2016, 2:47 pm
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Old Sep 18th 2016, 2:54 pm
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There is something sad here in that Italy generally refers to all immigrants as refugees and that the real number of valid asylum seekers amongst them is less than 30%, from the same politician on Friday. Again Germany only wants bona fide asylum seekers.
I think you'll find that what has actually been said is that under the refugee relocation programme, only refugees from 3 countries will be considered - which is a rather different thing from saying that any other asylum seeker isn't a genuine case.

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The attached article only talks about immigrants and therein lies the problem, the lefty cover-up.
What on earth are you talking about?? The article I linked to was from the Euractiv website ie the official communication channel of the EU. It's got absolutely f-all to do with leftyism.

Just in case you hadn't noticed and for the umpteenth bloody time, the EU is not left wing.

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For the nth time immigration and refugees are only the same thing for lefty Mr Renzi and his supporters, Alfano in this case "Header" photo no less and the statement lower down.
“Up until now, the relocation has been a real flop,” Alfano told la Repubblica TV. It could be nothing else under Mr Alfano's guidance. He has only recently accepted the difference.
At the end the day it is Law and Order. I guess that the left is also taking an anarchical stance too.
Illegal is Illegal and they can F.O
Ok I am jealous, my pension is less than 500 Euros a month and I cannot see why the state should spend 1000 a month on some Sub Saharan illegal.
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At the end the day it is Law and Order.
It is indeed and Italy upholding the rule of international law on what their obligations are when refugees arrive on their shores is right and proper, regardless of the size of your pension and is nothing to do with which wing of politics the current PM represents. Refugees have been arriving on Italy's shores for a long time before he took office.

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Berlusconi set off the latest spurt a few years back realising that there was a lot to be made while they were on Italian territory.

Refugee definition, the first that came up on Google-

a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.

Not very many that arrive in Italy fit this description.
I'm not sure whether it was 2014 or 2015 but 170,000 arrived in Italy, of these only 13,000 applied for Asylum. Now Alfano is talking of over 70% not having any right to even apply. Further yesterday he reinforced what he has said over the last couple of weeks to promote forced expulsion/repatriation.

UNHCR - Refugees

www.unhcr.org/uk/refugees.html


Refugees are people fleeing conflict or persecution. They are defined and protected in international law, and must not be expelled or returned to situations ...

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Berlusconi set off the latest spurt a few years back realising that there was a lot to be made while they were on Italian territory.
What - Berlusconi the well-known loony lefty? That Berlusconi?

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I'm not sure whether it was 2014 or 2015 but 170,000 arrived in Italy, of these only 13,000 applied for Asylum.
The number of asylum applications made in Italy in 2014 was 64,886. In 2015 it was 59,165.
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2015.
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2015.
http://www.repubblica.it/solidarieta..._dati-12392946
The refugee associations etc in Italy do NOT tell the truth, like maybe the Republica even if it is a PD mouthpiece? This was most evident in the blatent lies from them over the setting up of the hot spots. They are Italian and on a run, they will make the most of it. The oft quoted political figures were less than 10% asylum seekers. Have a quick shufti at the make-up of the nationalities arriving in Italy.
Another Renzi lie was uncovered today by INPS regarding Employment!!!
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Neither of your links to La Repubblica works for me - both giving a 404 error.

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The refugee associations etc in Italy do NOT tell the truth...
Is that really the best you can do when presented with official statistics? I'm not at all surprised you think the way you do if that's the case - you can just make anything you like up and say the authorities, the press, the ONGs etc etc are lying. For what purpose is anybody's guess as it certainly isn't winning them any popularity contests.
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Merkel admits flaws in migrant policy | World | The Times & The Sunday Times


"Merkel admits open-door migrant policy was a mistake"
For anyone who's interested in how much of an admission this might have been, this article is actually accessible free of charge.

Note, for example : However, she did not distance herself from her decision last September to keep open Germany’s borders to thousands of refugees stranded at Keleti station in Budapest. The mistake, the chancellor said, was that she and her government had not been quicker to prepare for the mass movement of people triggered by conflicts in the Middle East.


“If I was able to, I would turn back time by many, many years, so that I could have prepared the whole government and the authorities for the situation which hit us out of the blue in the late summer of 2015,” she said.


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On Monday, Merkel admitted she had failed to sufficiently explain her refugee policy, and that her phrase “Wir schaffen das” (“We will manage”) had provoked some of those who did not agree with her political course. Her words will be interpreted as an olive branch to the leader of her CDU’s sister party, the Bavarian Christian Social Union (CSU), who has repeatedly called on her to distance herself from the much-cited slogan.

For too long, Merkel said, she had relied on procedure according to the Dublin resolution, “which, to put it simply, had taken the problem off Germany’s hands”, adding: “And that was not good.”

Merkel, 62, also rebutted the CSU’s calls for a “static upper limit” to the amount of asylum seekers Germany could accept in 2016, arguing that it “would not solve the problem”.


Full article here : https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ekers-election

It's hardly tantamount to saying she messed up and should never have done it, now is it?
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For anyone who's interested in how much of an admission this might have been, this article is actually accessible free of charge.

Note, for example : However, she did not distance herself from her decision last September to keep open Germany’s borders to thousands of refugees stranded at Keleti station in Budapest. The mistake, the chancellor said, was that she and her government had not been quicker to prepare for the mass movement of people triggered by conflicts in the Middle East.


“If I was able to, I would turn back time by many, many years, so that I could have prepared the whole government and the authorities for the situation which hit us out of the blue in the late summer of 2015,” she said.


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On Monday, Merkel admitted she had failed to sufficiently explain her refugee policy, and that her phrase “Wir schaffen das” (“We will manage”) had provoked some of those who did not agree with her political course. Her words will be interpreted as an olive branch to the leader of her CDU’s sister party, the Bavarian Christian Social Union (CSU), who has repeatedly called on her to distance herself from the much-cited slogan.

For too long, Merkel said, she had relied on procedure according to the Dublin resolution, “which, to put it simply, had taken the problem off Germany’s hands”, adding: “And that was not good.”

Merkel, 62, also rebutted the CSU’s calls for a “static upper limit” to the amount of asylum seekers Germany could accept in 2016, arguing that it “would not solve the problem”.


Full article here : https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ekers-election

It's hardly tantamount to saying she messed up and should never have done it, now is it?
Well there's your mistake right there - reading beyond the headlines.

I read the same article yesterday.

It is just fractionally worrying that the national and international political discussion is being driven by people who only read the headlines. It's sort of like developing policy via Twitter tweets. Everyone's brain stops after 12 words.
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PARIS — A study showing that more than a quarter of French Muslims follow hardline Islam is causing discomfort for the political class, which is united in ignoring its conclusions.

Among the survey’s eye-catching findings are that 28 percent of Muslims questioned follow an “authoritarian” interpretation of texts advocating a break with French society; or that more than 40 percent of young Muslims (aged 15-25) consider Islamic Sharia law more important than the secular law of France.

Quarter of French Muslims follow hardline Islam: study – POLITICO
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PARIS — A study showing that more than a quarter of French Muslims follow hardline Islam is causing discomfort for the political class, which is united in ignoring its conclusions.

Among the survey’s eye-catching findings are that 28 percent of Muslims questioned follow an “authoritarian” interpretation of texts advocating a break with French society; or that more than 40 percent of young Muslims (aged 15-25) consider Islamic Sharia law more important than the secular law of France.

Quarter of French Muslims follow hardline Islam: study – POLITICO
Perhaps the years deprivation, high levels of unemployment and prejudice against them has something to do with it.
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