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Old Nov 27th 2019, 1:16 pm
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Originally Posted by Annetje View Post
Is it me or is it a bit difficult to follow a conversation on the Tories with 3 different threads going ?
Same discussion going on in 2 threads now ...

If your half minded to vote Tory don't worry thats all you need. Brexit was like the UK got drunk and accidentally unfriended Europe on Facebook...
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Old Nov 27th 2019, 1:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Chatter Static View Post
If your half minded to vote Tory don't worry thats all you need. Brexit was like the UK got drunk and accidentally unfriended Europe on Facebook...
I can't vote but if I could it would never ever be the Tories or ''Nasty Party'' as they are known.
At this election, tactical voting is the key.
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Old Nov 27th 2019, 1:30 pm
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Originally Posted by Annetje View Post
I can't vote but if I could it would never ever be the Tories or ''Nasty Party'' as they are known.
At this election, tactical voting is the key.
I think they have all gone mental...

When the UK leaves the EU guess how much free space the EU gets back........
Spoiler:
1GB
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Old Nov 27th 2019, 2:47 pm
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Originally Posted by mikelincs View Post
The Rabbi is a great mate of Johnson's, and also a big friend of Netanyahu. It seems to me that a lot of his anti Corbyn stance may, just may, have a lot to do with the fact that if Jeremy becomes PM then the UK will stop arms sales to Israel.
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I assumed as much. Disgraceful that he chose to intervene.
Your antisemitism shines through - the "all the Jews stick together" argument.

Even the archbish is in on the scene.

Justin Welby backs chief rabbi after Labour antisemitism remarks
Archbishop says Ephraim Mirvis’s comments highlight fear felt by many British Jews

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Old Nov 27th 2019, 2:53 pm
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You're antisemitism shines through - the "all the Jews stick together" argument.
No it doesn't.

Stop talking nonsense.

Also, "your".
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Old Nov 27th 2019, 2:58 pm
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Let's consider some alternative opinions. From Jewish people if that helps at all.

https://www.thecanary.co/opinion/201...bbis-comments/


https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...P=share_btn_tw

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...r-antisemitism

Etc.
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Old Nov 27th 2019, 3:02 pm
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Now I get it OP was made with intention to win the Thread of the Year award.
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Old Nov 27th 2019, 3:10 pm
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
Your antisemitism shines through - the "all the Jews stick together" argument.
An argument which Shard didn't make. He said:

It seems there is a pro-Israel fanaticism amongst some Jews, and anything one says (even if Jewish) that in any way does not support the Zionist narrative is somehow anti-semitic. It's a bit like extremists everywhere, the "you're either for us or against us" mentality.

My emphasis.

I like Jews. I think that their contribution to humanity has been immeasurable.

(I like them so much that I think their children should be spared having their genitals mutilated, but to some people that makes me an antisemite. Such is the world in which we live.)

At the same time, when you're a nail, everything looks like a hammer, and the rest of the world needs to appreciate that. The Rabbi is wrong, but his view is nevertheless understandable. The onus is on us in Europe/the UK to prove that Jews are safe here.
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Labour accused of wanting a "class war".

And the Tories?

"“Class war” as a term refers to the tension that exists in society among different social classes as a response to the socioeconomic arrangement of power and resources. But for some, it only ever appears to go in one direction. No one cried “class war” when universal credit claimants were left to live on £6 a day. No one accused ministers of class politics when homelessness spread through the streets. When the Resolution Foundation warned this week that re-electing Boris Johnson would risk child poverty rising to a 60-year high, the Conservative manifesto wasn’t seen to be creating class conflict. Even as Labour’s critics were decrying moderate tax rises for the highest earners, the Institute for Fiscal Studies published updated analysis that showed what low-income families have faced over the last decade. It showed reforms to taxes and benefits since 2010 have been firmly tilted against the poorest 10% of households with children, who have seen losses of up to 18% of their income (£3,800), while the most affluent 10% have seen losses of just 4% (£2,200 per year). It’s worth saying that again: as a result of political choices over the last decade, the poorest families with kids have had a fifth of their income removed."

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...box=1574853320
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
"It’s worth saying that again: as a result of political choices over the last decade, the poorest families with kids have had a fifth of their income removed."
Cape Blue will be along shortly waffling about it being their career choices, poor money management and free food on top of free money.

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Cape Blue will be along shortly waffling about it being their career choices, poor money management and free food on top of free money.
Nah. It's all that imported poor-quality labour what done it.
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Old Nov 27th 2019, 6:25 pm
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
Your antisemitism shines through - the "all the Jews stick together" argument.
What malicious nonsense. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
Labour accused of wanting a "class war".

And the Tories?

"“Class war” as a term refers to the tension that exists in society among different social classes as a response to the socioeconomic arrangement of power and resources. But for some, it only ever appears to go in one direction. No one cried “class war” when universal credit claimants were left to live on £6 a day. No one accused ministers of class politics when homelessness spread through the streets. When the Resolution Foundation warned this week that re-electing Boris Johnson would risk child poverty rising to a 60-year high, the Conservative manifesto wasn’t seen to be creating class conflict. Even as Labour’s critics were decrying moderate tax rises for the highest earners, the Institute for Fiscal Studies published updated analysis that showed what low-income families have faced over the last decade. It showed reforms to taxes and benefits since 2010 have been firmly tilted against the poorest 10% of households with children, who have seen losses of up to 18% of their income (£3,800), while the most affluent 10% have seen losses of just 4% (£2,200 per year). It’s worth saying that again: as a result of political choices over the last decade, the poorest families with kids have had a fifth of their income removed."

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...box=1574853320
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Cape Blue will be along shortly waffling about it being their career choices, poor money management and free food on top of free money.
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Nah. It's all that imported poor-quality labour what done it.
The left rarely understand the difference between wages and benefits.
How can it be wrong to raise taxes on middle-class workers but acceptable to cut benefits and squeeze working-class wages?
Taking more money from someone who has worked for it is way different than giving less to someone who hasn't.

Tax reforms by the Tories have greatly increased the income tax free allowance at the same time they have raised the minimum wage and raised taxes for high earners (by removing the tax allowance and other formerly ubiquitous items). What they have done is reduce our generous benefits to ensure that those kicking back on bennies are not getting more that those actually bothering to work - and good job too.

The study ensures it's start date includes the reduction of the higher rate of tax from 50% to 45%, even though the 50% rate had only been in-place for a matter of months, if the start date was a few months earlier the impacts are noticeably different - the usual twisting of data and stats.
If we compare the current tax and benefit system to that which was in place in March (rather than May) 2010, the picture is very different for those with the highest incomes: the top decile loses 5.2% (£5,700 per year) instead of the 2.0% (£2,100 per year) presented in Figure 1.
I forgot to mention, Watchpost is correct though, persistent high net immigration of low-skill/pay migrants has indeed reduced the wages of the lower orders and increased their rents.
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That link went very very wrong ... I should't touch anything regarding a troll ....
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I suspect the OP opened this thread with the sole intent to inflame and has somewhat succeeded. Therefore the thread will remain closed.

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