kimilseung

Can you expand on what the West owes to Islam.

macliam

No... we've already covered that and I'm not interested in wormholes.

kimilseung

It has not been covered, maybe I missed the particular post, there are so many, but I am reasonably confident that it has not been covered.

Scamp

Southampton, on the whole is only marginally better, but still a dump, so I am at least realistic

It's the kind of discussion that makes a lot of ancient and recent history super emotive for some people which makes it so hard to learn more from unbiased or neutral type sources.

macliam

Yes, I agree, there must be some people who really LOVE Portsmouth!
Others won't be able to get past recent history to look at all the plus sides, HMS Victory, the first coop, the first clap clinic (connected?), etc., etc.

kimilseung

Go on, just one thing.

macliam

Too keen, I'm not going there - read.

kimilseung

Nothing then, that's fine.

el collado kid

I diagre southampton is not a dump at all.Yes there are parts that are as in every city in the uk.The growth in the city over the last 20 years is nothing short of phenomenal,housing, industries, business centers, out of town shopping the waterfront has been regenerated the sports facilities are fantastic football ground international cricket ground sport centers every where .The thing that is bringing the city to its knees is no new roads or infrastructure to allow for the population growth the traffic is unbearable.That is one of the main reasons i left and will not be going back.The city of my birth has changed in all recognition right across the board, many areas of many nationalities and yes student land is hugh in 2/3 areas of the city.The main thing for me was city college which set me on the road and able to earn a fantastic living which i thought never achievable, when the education policies of the era left me floundering and uneducated.In my opinion a great city of fantastic opportunities to take advantage of if you like to and are able.But alas i took advantage and left not only the city but family.i am pleased to say for a better much more relaxed life.Yes southampton a city of opportunities

macliam

You forget to say it has 2 Universities. The real one......... and the other one.
I haven't been back for quite a few years..... strange how you lose touch with places.

macliam

If you want to troll, find another patsy.

el collado kid

Thanks macliam, i forgot the wonderful world class universities and teaching hospital yes a great city indeed

Scamp

There must be indeed, but goodness knows why.
Victory is cool, but everything around it is a dump.....Southsea is the one redeeming feature of the area I think and I don't really count that as Portsmouth.

The traffic kills the city like many others. 1.5 universities doesn't help but whilst I love the place, it is a dump in many areas, as you say - like most cities.
But, we mustn't forget, it's the hub of the South coast, an hour and ten to the wankers in London, touches the New Forest, is a short drive to a lovely(ish) beach in Bournemouth, surrounded by cathedral cities in Salisbury and Winchester, home to the greatest football team on earth and it gave the world me. I mean, scrap what I said. It's the greatest city in the world.

Southampton Uni is a proper old red brick and very good. The other one is a 0.5 as far as most are concerned I think. It's a bit like saying you went to Oxford....Brookes.
Yes, I can laugh at universities because I didn't go to one.

el collado kid

Wow iforgot what scamp just said as well! Yes the new forest, the hub of the south,surrounded by all the great things of the south.Gees i just told the wife pack are bags we're going back, back i tell you why did i ever leave?

Lion in Winter

That's a Tom Jones song, isn't it?

What about the people from Portsmouth who hate the people from Portsmouth?