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Old Dec 20th 2019, 6:11 pm
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Get over it, people!
Get over what? This is a thread about Brexit getting done. You know, Brexit matters.
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Old Dec 20th 2019, 6:42 pm
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Well, Brexit will be done, either by 31 Dec. 2020, or the same date in 2030. Nobody can be sure at this point, but it seems Boris has boxed himself into a corner again, and will therefore have to capitulate again.

Just when you thought (read: led to believe) it was "done". Like all the other times. But this time, they'll have the advantage of being able to title it with another catchy phrase not involving the word "Brexit". After all, Brexit will already be "done". He already ordered the government to remove that word from all official texts.

Any guesses on what the next (more palatable) word for Brexit might be?

oh, and here's a wild thought that just popped into my head, and as crazy as it may sound, I think it might be plausible; Technically speaking, Boris could actually become a US president, not? Born in New York. Think about it. King of the world and all that. Arnie never stood a chance. But Boris?

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Any guesses on what the next (more palatable) word for Brexit might be?
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Any guesses on what the next (more palatable) word for Brexit might be?
Cliff Hedge.
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Old Dec 20th 2019, 10:08 pm
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Old Dec 21st 2019, 2:21 pm
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The intransigent EU might not agree with Johnson's wishlist ... They are going to throw us out with no WA the end of January !
No deal, just like Johnson wants but it will be the fault of the EU and this time there is no way to stop it.
January might be interesting again.

Tweet from Danuta Huebner (Polish MEP) under spoiler

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The intransigent EU might not agree with Johnson's wishlist ... They are going to throw us out with no WA the end of January !
No deal, just like Johnson wants but it will be the fault of the EU and this time there is no way to stop it.
January might be interesting again.

Tweet from Danuta Huebner (Polish MEP) under spoiler



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You quote a Polish MEP!!!!---- Poland is being threatened with expulsion from the EU because of its judicial reforms!!!! von der Leyen and increased border controls---- Maybe the EU is intransigent!!!

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You quote a Polish MEP!!!!---- Poland is being threatened with expulsion from the EU because of its judicial reforms!!!! von der Leyen and increased border controls---- Maybe the EU is intransigent!!!
What

The quote is someone quoting the columnist Andreou.

The column itself is worth a read, so I've pulled it out here.

https://politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/12...-short-on-pomp

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Not to mention this:

"The prime minister gloats, but victory has come at the cost of truth, the people and his own soul"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ia#maincontent

"Boris Johnson had opened the debate by saying that now was the time to end the dither and delay. Rather forgetting, yet again, that few politicians had done more to prevent Brexit happening over the past three and a half years than him. He had twice voted against Theresa May’s own Brexit deal, which had been – on his own previous admissions – substantially better than his own, in order to further his own career...But to the victors, the spoils. And the amnesia. Boris stood triumphant, surrounded by sycophants and crowned in laurels. He was Caesar. The autocrat, disguised as a man of the people, whose prescription for blue-collar Conservatism was old-fashioned, establishment paternalism. Brexit was done. Even if it wasn’t. And anyone who dared whisper the word Brexit again after 31 January would be arrested for thought crimes. Boris had hoped he would feel more elated than this, but instead he could only feel disappointment closing in. He had gained the world, but had long since lost both his family and his soul. His narcissism would inevitably destroy him. In the beginning is my end. Now the light falls."
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You quote a Polish MEP!!!!---- Poland is being threatened with expulsion from the EU because of its judicial reforms!!!! von der Leyen and increased border controls---- Maybe the EU is intransigent!!!
Bipat, do you realise Polish MEPs played no part in those judicial reforms, and most Polish MEPs probably didn't agree with them.

Do you think UK MEPs have a say in what the UK government does? Your post is just another pathetic attempt to moan about the EU.
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
What

The quote is someone quoting the columnist Andreou.

The column itself is worth a read, so I've pulled it out here.

https://politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/12...-short-on-pomp
The "someone"--- 'tweeting' - is Danuta Huebner Polish MEP!
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The "someone"--- 'tweeting' - is Danuta Huebner Polish MEP!
Yes, Polish MEPs are allowed to tweet, and to quote others.

What of it?
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Bipat, do you realise Polish MEPs played no part in those judicial reforms, and most Polish MEPs probably didn't agree with them.
Do you think UK MEPs have a say in what the UK government does? Your post is just another pathetic attempt to moan about the EU.
So do you think Poland will be 'expelled, it is not just the judicial reforms?

(It would help the EU budget when the UK is gone!!)

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Old Dec 21st 2019, 3:51 pm
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I did wonder if the so called "changes" were to the withdrawal agreement, or just to the UK's internal lawmaking apparatus.

If it is a changed WA, then of course it would require the consent of the EU. And if so, then it will be yet another point of contention.

It again harks back to 3 years ago when it was naïvely presumed that the UK "held all the cards" and could simply dictate the terms of withdrawal. But that hubris was quickly and consistently converted to humility.

Related to that, it's become blatantly clear that the Brexit government has little intention of any sort of "alignment" with the EU in terms of customs arrangements, which of course directly impacts any potential trade negotiations (negatively, in the UK's case). So, regardless of this little blip, it seems "no deal" is still very much on the table, and even likely, given the UK's flippant and irrespective attitude to it all. Not to mention the flipflopping.

I would've thought Boris and crew would have learned by now that the EU aren't the shortsighted desperados they'd like to believe they are. But maybe it's just projection. It's how the Brexiteers think, so they presume that's how the EU would.

We shall see.

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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
I did wonder if the so called "changes" were to the withdrawal agreement, or just to the UK's internal lawmaking apparatus.

If it is a changed WA, then of course it would require the consent of the EU. And if so, then it will be yet another point of contention.

It again harks back to 3 years ago when it was naïvely presumed that the UK "held all the cards" and could simply dictate the terms of withdrawal. But that hubris was quickly and consistently converted to humility.

Related to that, it's become blatantly clear that the Brexit government has little intention of any sort of "alignment" with the EU in terms if customs arrangements, which of course directly impacts any potential trade negotiations (negatively, in the UK's case). So, regardless of this little blip, it seems "no deal" is still very much on the table, and even likely, given the UK's flippant and irrespective attitude to it all.

I would've thought Boris and crew would have learned by now that the EU aren't the shortsighted desperados they'd like to believe they are. But maybe it's just projection. It's how the Brexiteers think, so they presume that's how the EU would.

We shall see.
They do seem to be changes to the WA, because that internal apparatus, such as Parliamentary oversight and participation or the alignment on workers' rights and environmental standards was written into the WA by Parliament. But since that was in the last Parliament, it was not legally binding over this Parliament. Unclear what appetite the EU has to deal with this mess, other than anything that is not agreed now will have to be agreed later, one way or another,thereby making the Dec 2020 completion date less likely.
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