Former Lancastrian

So lets just say I am a Vancouver cop and they have the same rules as the Minneapolis Police. Your call to the Police for assistance is deemed an emergency and by these rules I have to legally activate my camera at least 2 blocks away but yet you prefer not to have the camera on. What am I supposed to do?

Jerseygirl

IMO body cams are there for a reason and they should record everything. They should not be turned on and off at a whim, or at the discretion of the officer. They are there to protect a) the public and b) the officer.

Jsmth321

Activate the camera as required, once at the scene if the camera is not appropriate officer states why he/she is turning it off, and turns it back on as soon as its appropriate to do so.

I am sure police departments can sit down with lawyers and figure out guidelines. I am sure police departments can find some sort of solution.

Cape Blue

It's not the 1950's/60's now.

There's no whites-only drinking fountains, there's no bar to getting the highest job in the country as President, no bar to being on the Supreme Court, there are many black multimillionaires and black culture is often lauded. It's a totally different era to what these men are describing.

DaveLovesDee

There are good people on all sides, and there are assholes on all sides as well. The latter always give the former a bad reputation.

From what I've seen, the training and culture within US Police needs to be updated. I understand that they regularly face armed and dangerous people, but when the culture includes kneeling on a suspect's neck with force, that needs to change when even one suspect dies.

Here in the UK, positional asphixiation resulted in deaths, so any restraining position involving weight on a person's neck or chest is avoided.

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Nutek

Body Cameras should not have an on/off option available to the wearer, since it has been demonstrated time and again that the wearer cannot be trusted with such a feature. In fact, considering how many seem to "break" at specific points in the proceedings, maybe each uniform should contain multiple cams. I mean, they cant all break at once. Right?

paulry

Completely agree.

Lion in Winter

It isn't the 50s/60s, and yet the same seems to apply much as you might think it should have changed. Nor is it true that there is "no bar" to the things you mention. You only have to look around you. There is no legal bar as there used to be, but reality is quite another matter and for all sort of longstanding and complex reasons, a good many of which have their basis in the fundamental inequities in this country some of which were and are due to race, and certainly due to the way in which race and the economy intersect here and have done for a very long time. This is the difference between positive and negative freedom, negative freedom being the freedom from (ie no rules against something) and positive freedom being the freedom to (what you seek is actually possible in real measures). If you don't accept this, then you are saying that this sort of behaviour is down to simple personal behaviour - yet we don't see much in the way of riots by those who are comfortably off, the 2%, the denizens of Wall Street, and those who live in Zone 2.

As I've been saying for possibly years, something seems to have gone wrong here. And one of the things that has gone wrong is that a vast number of people feel no connection to this society/culture/economy at all. That is what makes large-scale riots possible. And you can't fix a society by gassing it and shooting rubber bullets at it, and doubling down on the actions that are causing the problems. That has been proven again and again and again all over the world. The only way is to acknowledge that things have gone wrong and fix them.

Oakvillian

"There are some fine people on both sides," no doubt.

Boiler

Yep - LA, seems it was a Minority owned Restaurant.

Cape Blue

Where to start ......

OK, there is NO bar, only the drive and acumen to get where you want to get to. Obama was a black kid of a single parent, doesn't get much more of a basic start than that.

Whilst there clearly was historic racism and indeed may be some small degree today (may), the principle problem of blacks in the US is one of culture - they don't value education and don't bring kids up in a stable family culture.

Clearly this is not the case for all, but we are talking generalities. Where I used to work we had to "garnish" quite a number of men's wages as they were not paying the appropriate amount to their "baby mommas" - this was massively swayed towards the black workers. Many black kids grow up with no father figure or an entirely inept one, which just perpetrates the cycle.

Other migrants who also experienced significant racism and bigotry in the past, such as Chinese or Japanese or Vietnamese all value education and hard work - they have all thrived in the US and Asians on average earn more than whites. They aren't rioting much as well, although it is often their stores that are being attacked. Even the more recent Latino migrants earn more than US blacks - they have a different culture.

This behaviour is down to a culture that promotes economic failure and leaves the proponents of said culture disproportionately poor and subsequently disproportionately aggrieved at their lot in life. Why would those who have made a success of their lives want to riot? (aside from the antifa lot who are mostly up for a rumble regardless).

Another key driver is the identity politics agenda and associated data-bending - we can all manipulate stats to get the result we want. When the victimhood industry wants to rent-seek they can twist data to suit their current victim status and argue for government or corporate change in the light of this "data". I gave you a Harvard study of the ethnicity of deaths by cop earlier ..... deathly silence. The media are complicit in this too - saying that there is no significant racism/sexism/otherism isn't selling advertising space! This is very damaging for the target group, being repeatedly told that "the man" won't let them succeed, they will always do worse, etc etc can suppress the ambition of many and make many angry at these false stats.

What's gone wrong is the acceptance of a black culture of failure to achieve, indolence, anti-authority (resisting arrest seems to be a surefire route to problems), anti-education, anti-family responsibility and so-on. If your target in life is to have a few baby-mommas and make it big in rap singing about bitches and popping a cap in the pop-po's ass, as opposed to getting an education and diligently working, saving and making a life, then you are realistically going to end up on the bottom of the pile as are your offspring. Again, we are talking generalities, there are plenty of fine hard-working upstanding black people - sometimes the ones who own the shops currently being torched or who are working in the near 25% of the police force who are non-white.

Boiler

MINNEAPOLIS, MN—In a powerful display of their care for love and justice, protesters in Minneapolis burned the word "LOVE" into the city, arranging the inspiring message with homes and businesses set ablaze by their riots.

Heartfelt and moving.

"We just really wanted to show how much we care about love and social justice by burning this community into a powerful reminder of what it's all about," said local protester Jake Hernandez, who had flown in from Portland for the event. "Now, when police and fire helicopters fly over to try to restore order, they'll be inspired by our message of love and harmony."

BristolUK

That looks an interesting site

I like the idea of the 'local protester' flying in.

DaveLovesDee

Maybe he's originally from Minneapolis but now lives in Portland...

Or maybe not........

Oakvillian

well, inasmuch as a "Christian satire" isn't just so meta-satirical that it's beyond funny and out the other side, yes. But the Babylon Bee is several shades of crap compared to the Onion, or even (in a Canadian context) the Beaverton's content. The Christian Right doesn't actually do satire very well...