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Friday night at 11-30

Old Feb 1st 2020, 1:02 am
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
Well, we've got the first stage of Brexit done, and are no longer a member of the EU. Now we move into then second stage, the transition period and negotiating our post-Brexit interaction with EU rules and regulations.

Eleven months is all the UK government and Parliament and the EU have to make and ratify our post-Brexit deal. I hope the UK does get a good deal, but given how Boris made May's bad deal a worse deal, we'll have to wait and see. Especially given the massive majority the Tories have in Parliament, making them less accountable.


“Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero.
(Pluck the day [for it is ripe], trusting as little as possible in tomorrow.)”
The war is won. It is now time to win the peace.

The electorate gave Boris that majority. He is accountable only to them. He now has five years to make good on his promises and he will be judged at the ballot box accordingly. Vox populi, vox Dei.

Boris now has the means, but does he have the will and the wit? We shall see. Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat.
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Old Feb 1st 2020, 1:26 am
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Originally Posted by BritInParis View Post
The electorate gave Boris that majority. He is accountable only to them
What if he gives them the finger on the basis that fewer people voted for his "let's get Brexit done" than voted to Leave in the referendum ?
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Old Feb 1st 2020, 1:29 am
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The war? Bit bombastic isn't it? The UK wasn't at war with Europe.

I certainly hope that everyone will now be rallying round to make sure that "the people" get what they want, the NHS is funded, housing is sorted, urban blight is dealt with, education is funded, jobs at living wage and better are available and people are trained and ready for them. I am counting on our gross income and wealth inequality being addressed.

I mean, I'm sure all the brexit supporters will be holding the government to account, won't they? And all our BE members who have been moaning on about the EU and whatnot will all be the first to complain if Boris lets the people down, won't they? Surely they won't be content to let the top 2% of the population be the only winners here, will they, with their offshore accounts and investments in other countries.

I'm counting on you all now.

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Old Feb 1st 2020, 1:30 am
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Originally Posted by BristolUK View Post
What if he gives them the finger on the basis that fewer people voted for his "let's get Brexit done" than voted to Leave in the referendum ?
Or just because he's dishonest, wealthy, arrogant, and just doesn't care?

It could just happen...
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Old Feb 1st 2020, 1:31 am
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Originally Posted by BristolUK View Post
What if he gives them the finger on the basis that fewer people voted for his "let's get Brexit done" than voted to Leave in the referendum ?
That doesn't make an awful lot of sense not least because if he did so then he wouldn't get to be Prime Minister anymore and Boris really wants to be Prime Minister.
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Originally Posted by BritInParis View Post
That doesn't make an awful lot of sense not least because if he did so then he wouldn't get to be Prime Minister anymore and Boris really wants to be Prime Minister.
You have a very optimistic assessment of how much attention the electorate will be paying now.

Personally, I hope you're right and the whole system goes out on its ear.
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Old Feb 1st 2020, 1:35 am
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That doesn't make an awful lot of sense not least because if he did so then he wouldn't get to be Prime Minister anymore and Boris really wants to be Prime Minister.
Obviously it was an extreme example but the point is that he did get less support than those who supported the leave option. He may feel that he doesn't really need to suck up to them, just pay a bit of lip service.

"Accountability" needn't come into it for a good while yet, by which time he'll have achieved his ambitions.
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Obviously it was an extreme example but the point is that he did get less support than those who supported the leave option. He may feel that he doesn't really need to suck up to them, just pay a bit of lip service.
Of course he didn't. No political party is going to get the same level of support in a general election than the winning option in a binary referendum. He did however receive the highest percentage of votes since Mrs Thatcher in 1979, more than Blair ever managed, even in 1997. If doesn't deliver concrete results then he's out on his ear in five years' time.

"Accountability" needn't come into it for a good while yet, by which time he'll have achieved his ambitions.
Not if he wants to be Churchill and lead us into those sunlit uplands.
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Originally Posted by BritInParis View Post

Not if he wants to be Churchill and lead us into those sunlit uplands.
He doesn't really. Being PM is far too much like hard work. Oh, the title's nice, and you get to make speeches and, in his case, wave his hands about. But most of it is hard slog, and hard slog is not what Boris does.

I thought this was spot on:

"There are a couple of ways of interpreting Boris Johnson’s three-minute cameo posted on his Facebook page at 10pm. Neither shows the prime minister in a particularly good light. The first and the most obvious is that Boris really doesn’t give much of a toss. He’s got what he wanted and can now barely be arsed to go through the motions. His usual lethal combination of boredom and terminal laziness....
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The second interpretation is perhaps the more telling <<<snip>>>

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...big-brexit-day

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
He doesn't really. Being PM is far too much like hard work. Oh, the title's nice, and you get to make speeches and, in his case, wave his hands about. But most of it is hard slog, and hard slog is not what Boris does.

I thought this was spot on:

"There are a couple of ways of interpreting Boris Johnson’s three-minute cameo posted on his Facebook page at 10pm. Neither shows the prime minister in a particularly good light. The first and the most obvious is that Boris really doesn’t give much of a toss. He’s got what he wanted and can now barely be arsed to go through the motions. His usual lethal combination of boredom and terminal laziness....
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The second interpretation is perhaps the more telling <<<snip>>>

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...big-brexit-day
He is indeed quite lazy but this is one of his great political strengths rather than a weakness and why he is likely to be far more successful as PM than he was as Foreign Secretary. Unlike his predecessor he is willing and able to delegate effectively. He'll set the agenda, give some broad direction and let them get on with it. He is the chairman to Mrs May's CEO.
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Now ETA can see people can get out you might want to start paying more attention to whats under your car, easiest way of getting attention is blowing up and scaring off all the Johnny foreigners around you that are unneeded. It's working in the UK minus the bombs obviously.
Just why would ETA want to blow up an allies car?
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I presume the next agitation will be to leave the UN,
The sooner the better
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The sooner the better
You don't approve of the U.N! Why is that; if I may ask?
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The sooner the better
Why would anybody in their right mind want to leave the UN? Even the likes of Iran, North Korea and Saudi Arabia are still in it. In fact the only countries aren't tend to be those who's sovereign status is questioned by a permanent member, usually Russia or China.
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Just why would ETA want to blow up an allies car?
They wouldn't but that's not the point. Chances are that a lot of folks in the Basque region and Catalonia will be watching Brexit unfold with great interest.
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