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Is it Father Christmas or Santa Claus?

Old Nov 19th 2017, 11:47 pm
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William Hanson, a leading etiquette expert, said that using the term ‘Father Christmas’ was the preserve of the middle classes and it was ‘lower class to call him Santa’.
‘Those from a middle to upper middle and beyond background will usually all invariably be visited by Father Christmas.’
He may be a leading etiquette expert but less so for English language.
Although people tend to mean nearly always when they say "invariably" it does actually mean always.

So usually and invariably don't really mix in the sentence.

I didn't notice this until the phrase was repeated. Something usually (or mostly) always happens. Dear me.
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Old Nov 20th 2017, 6:22 am
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I wonder if they mean't 'Father' in a religious way? As in calling a priest 'Father O'Riley' for instance. Why would we call a fat man in a red suit, who comes down your chimney in the dead of night.. Father?
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Originally Posted by GeniB View Post
I wonder if they mean't 'Father' in a religious way? As in calling a priest 'Father O'Riley' for instance. Why would we call a fat man in a red suit, who comes down your chimney in the dead of night.. Father?
British traditions usually defy any sort of logic.

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Originally Posted by johnwoo View Post
British traditions usually defy any sort of logic.
Invariably.
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Old Nov 20th 2017, 12:45 pm
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Originally Posted by jimenato View Post
Father Christmas please - Santa Claus is definitely lower class.

And not 'trimmings' - it's 'decorations'.
Trimmings are chipolatas with bacon, brussel sprouts with chestnuts etc aren't they? Roast Turkey with all the trimmings....

Oh and it's Father Christmas.
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Old Nov 20th 2017, 3:57 pm
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I seem to recall Father Christmas and Santa not being the same character, Father Christmas being a 'ghost of Christmas present' type fellow. An embodiment of the Christmas spirit, jolly, usually drunk, you know the type of thing, first recorded in the 16th century, not at all associated with children or gifts. Only after the Victorians did he become associated with the gift giving.

I like Father Christmas much better than Santa Claus. Father Christmas would never sell out to Coca Cola.
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They're all bullshit, and when I was Santa at the Bay considered telling the kids the truth. It's a dirty, dirty business.
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Old Nov 20th 2017, 4:30 pm
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Originally Posted by caretaker View Post
They're all bullshit, and when I was Santa at the Bay considered telling the kids the truth. It's a dirty, dirty business.
So (Radio4 hackles), you missed the Toys-R-Us stock issue then .....
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Old Nov 20th 2017, 5:22 pm
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I was always of the impression that "santa claus" was a commercial fabrication to increase Christmas sales inspired by the tale of St. Nick, first publicised by Montgomery Ward & Co. in the good 'ol USA. Like "black Friday", it spread like wildfire across the planet. I don't believe Santa Claus existed prior to the 1800's.
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Old Nov 20th 2017, 6:11 pm
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
Greg Lake called him Father Christmas. That's good enough for me.

I wonder if millions of retail workers will agree.
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It's Old Saint Nick. Some say Kris Kringle

Up on the tip top I hear noise,
Jolly old jolly old reindeer paws.
Up on the tip top, click click click,
Down the chimney with old Saint Nick.

Don't forget the Father Christmas's helper, the Krampus.
A horned daemon who punishes bad children, tearing them limb from limb.
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He or she should be multiracial and LGBT in keeping with the politically correct times. Oh and no "Christmas" word involved. That could cause considerable offence to other religions
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Old Nov 21st 2017, 7:53 am
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Originally Posted by dc koop View Post
He or she should be multiracial and LGBT in keeping with the politically correct times. Oh and no "Christmas" word involved. That could cause considerable offence to other religions
Surely the UK should "take back control" and leave the multinational commercial concept that is Chistmas...... after all, like the best British traditions, it didn't really exist before the Victorians invented it. A Victorian Christmas
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Surely the UK should "take back control" and leave the multinational commercial concept that is Chistmas...... after all, like the best British traditions, it didn't really exist before the Victorians invented it. A Victorian Christmas
... Macliam.... Report to Diversity Training!, ASAP
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Old Nov 21st 2017, 11:30 am
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Originally Posted by 007Steve View Post
... Macliam.... Report to Diversity Training!, ASAP
Christmas is so anti-diversity .......

- Try dressing your "Santa" in the original green

- See the holier-than-thou objections to "Black Pete" (which ignore the fact that he is black, not through race, but because of the soot in the chimneys he climbs through).

- See how long the Dutch will be able to resist the lure of December 25th and continue to celebrate December 5th or the Spanish be allowed to slip the gift-giving until January 6th?? It just doen't make logistical sense to our multinational overlords!!

- See how many hids in Ireland still get up at dawn on the 26th to "Hunt the Wren". Warm beds and video games, yeah, yeah.....

Bah, Humbug!
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