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CORONAVIRUS PART II

Old Apr 10th 2020, 9:16 am
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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 View Post
Next door have been buiding a bonfire for a couple of weeks now. Some cars have arrived and people gone up to the house. Now if a bonfire party happens tonight do I keep my head down and ignore the ****ing morons or do I call the police?
Grass 'em up. You know it makes sense.

It's what every responsible citizen's doing - look :
The Guardian has established that the housing, communities and local government secretary – who has made media appearances urging people to save lives by remaining in their properties even if tempted to see loved ones – went to see his parents at their Shropshire home, 40 miles by road from his own.

A witness has told the Guardian they saw Jenrick, 38, visiting the property at the weekend.
Cabinet minister Robert Jenrick visited his parents during Covid-19 lockdown

OK, they told a newspaper, not the police but it's still all the joy of snitching with a justifiable excuse.

How well do you like them (I'm guessing not a lot ) and are they surrounded by other neighbours?
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Old Apr 10th 2020, 9:30 am
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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 View Post
Next door have been buiding a bonfire for a couple of weeks now. Some cars have arrived and people gone up to the house. Now if a bonfire party happens tonight do I keep my head down and ignore the ****ing morons or do I call the police?
Call it in.

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Grass 'em up. You know it makes sense.

It's what every responsible citizen's doing - look :

Cabinet minister Robert Jenrick visited his parents during Covid-19 lockdown

OK, they told a newspaper, not the police but it's still all the joy of snitching with a justifiable excuse.

How well do you like them (I'm guessing not a lot ) and are they surrounded by other neighbours?
Stephen Kinnock drove 180+ miles and was rewarded with a Labour shadow cabinet position......

Stay home, protect the vulnerable, save lives.....
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Old Apr 10th 2020, 10:01 am
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Some people are being nice in these troubling times

https://www.filmstories.co.uk/news/a...-free-tonight/

I love musicals ....
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Old Apr 10th 2020, 10:52 am
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Originally Posted by Red Eric View Post
Grass 'em up. You know it makes sense.

It's what every responsible citizen's doing - look :

Cabinet minister Robert Jenrick visited his parents during Covid-19 lockdown

OK, they told a newspaper, not the police but it's still all the joy of snitching with a justifiable excuse.

How well do you like them (I'm guessing not a lot ) and are they surrounded by other neighbours?
We're on acreage but they've built it right near the road so can be seen by anyone. We thought they were lovely when they moved in but have since proved over and over that they're arseholes.

Looks like it's been rained off.
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Old Apr 10th 2020, 11:15 am
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Some doctor's surgeries are assholes....

Coronavirus: Autistic support group 'told it needed DNR orders'


A GP surgery which said autistic adults should have plans to prevent them being resuscitated if they become critically ill has been criticised.Voyage Care, which cares for the group, was sent the letter by a surgery in Somerset amid the coronavirus crisis.

And a copy of the letters being sent out.



And if no ambulance is called, does Coronavirus get listed as cause of death?

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Old Apr 10th 2020, 11:32 am
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
Some doctor's surgeries are assholes....

Coronavirus: Autistic support group 'told it needed DNR orders'




https://twitter.com/VoyageCEO/status...396587008?s=19

And a copy of the letters being sent out.

https://twitter.com/AngryxGoat/statu...036637696?s=20

And if no ambulance is called, does Coronavirus get listed as cause of death?
Apparently not, the UK is vastly unreporting the numbers, only those dying in hospital having been tested are counted, people in care homes or at home do not appear in the statistics.
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Old Apr 10th 2020, 11:45 am
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Apparently not, the UK is vastly unreporting the numbers, only those dying in hospital having been tested are counted, people in care homes or at home do not appear in the statistics.
As are other countries.
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Old Apr 10th 2020, 11:54 am
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Originally Posted by mikelincs View Post
Apparently not, the UK is vastly unreporting the numbers, only those dying in hospital having been tested are counted, people in care homes or at home do not appear in the statistics.
...and over-reporting IMO.

Anyone who dies (in hospital) WITH COVID is counted as if they died OF it.

So all-in-all pretty meaningless I would have thought.

Far more significant is the graph they show in The COVID show (1700 hrs every day) which shows hospital admissions due to the virus. That represents load on the hospital system.
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Old Apr 10th 2020, 12:18 pm
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...and over-reporting IMO.

Anyone who dies (in hospital) WITH COVID is counted as if they died OF it.

So all-in-all pretty meaningless I would have thought.

Far more significant is the graph they show in The COVID show (1700 hrs every day) which shows hospital admissions due to the virus. That represents load on the hospital system.
hmm what about the ONS figures which show a 1% rise in death for the week until 27th march, wait for the next results....
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Old Apr 10th 2020, 12:52 pm
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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 View Post
We're on acreage but they've built it right near the road so can be seen by anyone. We thought they were lovely when they moved in but have since proved over and over that they're arseholes.

Looks like it's been rained off.
Got both firies and cops in the office here tonight, pm me the address if they get the bonfire going.......
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Old Apr 10th 2020, 1:38 pm
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Originally Posted by Pollyana View Post
Got both firies and cops in the office here tonight, pm me the address if they get the bonfire going.......
Ooh nice idea! They haven't done it but they did have visitors. I 'll keep you in mind when it does happen!
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Old Apr 10th 2020, 2:31 pm
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Originally Posted by Phathamster View Post
Very sceptical about this, given how this virus behaves when given a whole population to spread freely......

..... Also not read great things about an antibody test giving sound results particularly beyond 28days past infection.

...... "Social distancing could be playing a role but New York's stay-at-home order went into effect on March 22, three days after California implemented its order."

...... It already looks as though New York's cases came from Europe on a secondary basis
This virus will behave in a similar manner to any other virus in an unprotected population. The difference with this virus over previous coronavirus epidemics, SARS and MERS, is that in those infections the virus reproduces in the lower lung, so that patients are already showing symptoms as they become vactors and can be isolated, whereas COVID-19 appears to reproduce in the upper respiratory system/nasal cavity and is therefore able to be passed on before the vector shows symptoms.

The UK governmeny has reported that NONE of the antibody tests bought and tested has proven to give reliable results. Having been forced to buy "minimum quantities" at the cost of millions of pounds, it is now attempting to recover the payments made for products that are unfit for purpose.

Social distancing WILL be playing a role, but the impact will be variable depending on the degree to which it is enforced/practiced.

ALL infection outside China appears to have been vectored by migration, transit centres notwitstanding. The initial outbreak in Portugal appears to have been triggered by an international footwear exhibition hosting manufacturers from China. The ability of infection before showing symptoms has made this epidemic difficult to track - but Airports, like Heathrow, still acting as international migration hubs without apparent controls against infective travellers entering the general population seems to be driven by factors beyond public protection.
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This virus will behave in a similar manner to any other virus in an unprotected population. The difference with this virus over previous coronavirus epidemics, SARS and MERS, is that in those infections the virus reproduces in the lower lung, so that patients are already showing symptoms as they become vactors and can be isolated, whereas COVID-19 appears to reproduce in the upper respiratory system/nasal cavity and is therefore able to be passed on before the vector shows symptoms.

The UK governmeny has reported that NONE of the antibody tests bought and tested has proven to give reliable results. Having been forced to buy "minimum quantities" at the cost of millions of pounds, it is now attempting to recover the payments made for products that are unfit for purpose.

Social distancing WILL be playing a role, but the impact will be variable depending on the degree to which it is enforced/practiced.

ALL infection outside China appears to have been vectored by migration, transit centres notwitstanding. The initial outbreak in Portugal appears to have been triggered by an international footwear exhibition hosting manufacturers from China. The ability of infection before showing symptoms has made this epidemic difficult to track - but Airports, like Heathrow, still acting as international migration hubs without apparent controls against infective travellers entering the general population seems to be driven by factors beyond public protection.
That's kinda my point

The likely hood that it went undetected in California for a months is pretty much an impossibility, especially to be anywhere near enough to claim some kind of Immunity
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Old Apr 10th 2020, 2:45 pm
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Originally Posted by mikelincs View Post
Apparently not, the UK is vastly unreporting the numbers, only those dying in hospital having been tested are counted, people in care homes or at home do not appear in the statistics.
The variation of sampling within countries is making the production of international comparisons a guessing game. However, this works as much for the deniers as to cause over-reporting.
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...and over-reporting IMO.

Anyone who dies (in hospital) WITH COVID is counted as if they died OF it.
Your opinion is noted, as above. However your second statement is absolutely UNTRUE, in the UK at least.

As was explained on national TV last week, doctors take the declaration of cause of death very seriously - and have to, at risk of their license. The PRIMARY cause of death is noted, as assessed by the doctor attending. If death was as a result of Pneumonia directly caused by COVID-19 infection, it will be noted as exactly that... and counted as being due to COVID-19 as there was no other contributory factor. If there are other complications, or contributory factors, they will be noted alongside the adjudged PRIMARY cause. If death is from a pre-existing condition, exacerbated by COVID-19, it will be reported with the condition as the primary cause, with COVID-19 as a contributory factor. These fine variations are known to the medical team as they have all records for the patient at their disposal.

I would accept that at times of crisis, the time and opportunity to make such fine judgements may be compromised - but to suggest that anyone infected with COVID-19 who dies is automatically "written off" as being a victim of the virus is totally incorrect.
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That's kinda my point

The likely hood that it went undetected in California for a months is pretty much an impossibility, especially to be anywhere near enough to claim some kind of Immunity
This is just one of the many "tinfoil helmet" suggestions out there. We are aware of the underlying mortality rate of viral infection, even if it is variable and difficult to state with precision, so as has been asked bluntly - where are the coffins to support any such assumption?
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