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Old May 17th 2022, 4:06 pm
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And we have, now, also established that they don't do it for public adoration or recognition - so, I ask again, why do they volunteer?
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Honestly, the prejudice that some have for the civil service is incredibly similar to other prejudices that have 'names' for it.
It's just lazy trash talk. No thinking required, no justification given, no evidence provided.


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And we have, now, also established that they don't do it for public adoration or recognition - so, I ask again, why do they volunteer?
It's a JOB. Why do people work anywhere? I moved from a call centre job because the pay was not horrible and the hours were M-F rather than shift work, nothing more. You need to stop thinking of it as something one volunteers for. This isn't military service.
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And we have, now, also established that they don't do it for public adoration or recognition - so, I ask again, why do they volunteer?
And I answer again, it's a job.
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It's a JOB. Why do people work anywhere? I moved from a call centre job because the pay was not horrible and the hours were M-F rather than shift work, nothing more. You need to stop thinking of it as something one volunteers for. This isn't military service.
Bizarre comparison, military service requires a considerable commitment, way above that required of civil servants, or most others, come to that.

Sure it's a job, but there are others, all, allegedly, considerably more lucrative, according to some responses above.

Maybe I have found one motive - the opportunity to retire early, with a pension significantly greater than those who retire much later, on a State pension?
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Maybe I have found one motive - the opportunity to retire early, with a pension significantly greater than those who retire much later, on a State pension?
So you're ignoring the facts again then.
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Old May 17th 2022, 4:21 pm
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You're assuming nefarious intent, or at least ascribing intent, where usually none exists. Of course there are some that love their job and want to retire doing it, and still more than want a promotion and the increase that brings, but there are just as many that see it only as a stepping stone to something else outside the CS - they aren't thinking about the pension at all.

You can't tar everyone with the same 'intent' brush.

I don't really understand why you're focusing on the pension so much either. The CS that reach retirement age have earned their pension according to the regulations... again, do you feel this way about those retire from the military having given their 40 years? Is it their fault how the pension system is set up?

Why are you so intent on demonizing Civil Servants?
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So you're ignoring the facts again then.
No I am not!

I've acknowledged the "downsides" of the JB, as alleged above - so answer the question (other than "it's a job) - why do so many volunteer choose the civil service as a career?

Back to fruit picking.

Permanent fresh air.
Good money, if you work hard enough (ouch).
No responsibility.
Constant demand.
Nice scenery.

What's not to like?



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What's not to like? The weather.
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What's not to like? The weather.
Now we're getting somewhere.

C'mon people I've given you all (well, most of) the material - come back with some answers!
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Old May 17th 2022, 4:33 pm
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I'll give you this, I do think many people that apply and enter the Civil Service probably feel the way you do, having been fed the Government line about Civil Servants for so many years.

Easy, Job For Life, No Work, Lots Of Time Off, Good Pension.

I don't think that many of them stay the course though when they discover the reality though. Hell, what do I know, it's been nearly a decade since I emigrated.
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I'll give you this, I do think many people that apply and enter the Civil Service probably feel the way you do, having been fed the Government line about Civil Servants for so many years.

Easy, Job For Life, No Work, Lots Of Time Off, Good Pension.

I don't think that many of them stay the course though when they discover the reality though. Hell, what do I know, it's been nearly a decade since I emigrated.
No, that's a cop out. I've repeated and accepted all the disadvantages claimed above, that amount to mis conceptions by those of us outside of the CS, but still haven't received a logical response to my fundamental question (aside of your comment about weather).
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Let's add Flexi-Time too. Flexi is pretty good.
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And we have, now, also established that they don't do it for public adoration or recognition - so, I ask again, why do they volunteer?
Obviously I can only speak for myself. Apart from part time jobs whilst at school and college, I tried working in the private sector twice. The first time was with an accountancy firm where I encountered sexual harrassment from male colleagues (including the senior audit clerk openly reading pornographic magazines and masturbating at his desk on occasions when only he and I were in the office) and racism (not towards me, but very often racist remarks were made and once a flat owned by one of the partners was being advertised to rent and I was instructed that if anybody who "sounded foreign" rang up to ask about it I was to say the property had already been let). I said I would not do that as it was illegal. I was also unhappy with seemingly the whole ethos of the business being to help people fiddle their taxes whilst appearing to stay within the law.

The second time was when I took a job as PA to the Finance Director of a manufacturing company. He had a PA simply because of his status, not because he really needed one and although I had a lovely private office all kitted out with expensive fitted furniture I had so little to do that I was bored witless and only stayed for 5 months, as long as it took me to find a more interesting and fulfilling job.

The jobs I had in the public sector were all in areas I had a genuine interest in which gave me the motivation to get up and go to work every day, and I worked hard. I could never feel the same way about companies who made money by manufacturing widgets or whatever, or where people behaved in ways that simply would not be tolerated in the public sector. One person I worked with was dismissed instantly after indecent images were found on his work computer (gross misconduct offence).

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Obviously I can only speak for myself. Apart from part time jobs whilst at school and college, I tried working in the private sector twice. The first time was with an accountancy firm where I encountered sexual harrassment from male colleagues (including the senior audit clerk openly reading pornographic magazines and masturbating at his desk) and racism (not towards me, but very often racist remarks were made and once a flat owned by one of the partners was being advertised to rent and I was instructed that if anybody who "sounded foreign" rang up to ask about it I was to say the property had already been let). I said I would not do that as it was illegal. I was also unhappy with seemingly the whole ethos of the business being to help people fiddle their taxes whilst appearing to stay within the law.

The second time was when I took a job as PA to the Finance Director of a manufacturing company. He had a PA simply because of his status, not because he really needed one and although I had a lovely private office all kitted out with expensive fitted furniture I had so little to do that I was bored witless and only stayed for 5 months, as long as it took me to find a more interesting and fulfilling job.

The jobs I had in the public sector were all in areas I had a genuine interest in which gave me the motivation to get up and go to work every day, and I worked hard. I could never feel the same way about companies who made money by manufacturing widgets or whatever, or where people behaved in ways that simply would not be tolerated in the public sector.
Ok, good, some substance at last. So being a CS does have its advantages!
(Sorry about your poor experiences by the way)
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