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Church of England, back to the Dark Ages?

Old Jan 23rd 2020, 1:57 pm
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Bishops of the CoE have just announced that sex is only permissable between heterosexual couples who are married to each other! If you are gay, or unmarried, the STOP immediately, the CoE syas. It has no problem with civil partnerships, but thos in them must refrain from sex!

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Old Jan 23rd 2020, 2:07 pm
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Since my father's family was Anglican (Catholic Lite), I suppose I should try, but it won't be easy. Because I'm single I'll have to compromise, so will try to only have sex with married women.
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Well, there goes the remaining 6% of the population that is practicing Christian then.


https://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2...s-survey-finds
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Old Jan 23rd 2020, 2:17 pm
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Serious response;

The money quote is the third to last paragraph of this story,

While upholding its position that marriage is a lifelong union between a man and woman, the bishops say the church seeks to “minister sensitively and pastorally to those Christians who conscientiously decide to order their lives differently”.
(Translation: We want you in our church, we’re actually pretty tolerant, but to keep the African churches in communion, we have to pretend to be conservative.)
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Old Jan 23rd 2020, 3:01 pm
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I thought this was probably another NHS topic.
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Old Jan 23rd 2020, 3:45 pm
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Serious response;

The money quote is the third to last paragraph of this story,



(Translation: We want you in our church, we’re actually pretty tolerant, but to keep the African churches in communion, we have to pretend to be conservative.)


Good translation, can't imagine the African churches will in communion 20 years from now, and not far-fetched American Catholic church's relationship with Rome to be the same.

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Good translation, can't imagine the African churches will in communion 20 years from now, and not far-fetched American Catholic church's relationship with Rome to be the same.
And in the United States, the Anglican communion is totally split - the official branch, the Episcopal Church, has women clergy and bishops, and also welcomes LGBT people as clergy. It’s welcoming to all, celebrates same sex marriages etc. About ten years ago, the so-called Anglican Church in North America broke away from the Episcopalians. Priesthood is all-male, it doesn’t welcome LGBT people, etc.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angl..._North_America

The Church of England has to try to stay in the good books of all these diverse groups.
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I think everybody including church spokespeople have to say things that won't offend the status quo or they will lose money.

Simple as that.
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oh, except the CoE.
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Originally Posted by robin1234 View Post
Serious response;

The money quote is the third to last paragraph of this story,



(Translation: We want you in our church, we’re actually pretty tolerant, but to keep the African churches in communion, we have to pretend to be conservative.)


Alternative translation: We are so mired in hypocrisy and equivocation that we can quite happily hold ourselves to such a blatant and ludicrously contradictory double standard and yet somehow still keep a straight face.

Before I came to the conclusion that it was all a complete crock, I was very much an Anglican. But it's all nonsense. "Falling short of God's purpose for human beings?" Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

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Alternative translation: We are so mired in hypocrisy and equivocation that we can quite happily hold ourselves to such a blatant and ludicrously contradictory double standard and yet somehow still keep a straight face.

Before I came to the conclusion that it was all a complete crock, I was very much an Anglican. But it's all nonsense. "Falling short of God's purpose for human beings?" Pull the other one, it's got bells on.


I was brought up an atheist, came to a love of the Church late in life, so I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt.
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Bunch of hypocritical twats the lot of them.
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And in the United States, the Anglican communion is totally split - the official branch, the Episcopal Church, has women clergy and bishops, and also welcomes LGBT people as clergy. It’s welcoming to all, celebrates same sex marriages etc. About ten years ago, the so-called Anglican Church in North America broke away from the Episcopalians. Priesthood is all-male, it doesn’t welcome LGBT people, etc.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angl..._North_America

The Church of England has to try to stay in the good books of all these diverse groups.
By trying to be all things to all people, let alone confusion as to its own doctrine the Anglican/Episcopalian Church will just continue to decline in the West, as with other mainline Churches.
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I was brought up an atheist, came to a love of the Church late in life, so I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt.
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Default Re: Church of England, back to the Dark Ages?

When were the Dark Ages, anyway?

No doubt this is an Anglocentric view, but I’d always thought it meant from the fall of Rome till the Normans - so about 400 CE to 1100.

But it seems that some people mean from the fall of Rome till the renaissance! So including all of the Middle Ages, including all that good stuff like the twelve century industrial revolution, jousting, troubadours, etc.

Which is it?
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