The Black Lives Matter movement
Jan 18th 2022, 6:19 pm
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Re: The Black Lives Matter movement
The seven shades of racism:
Racism doesn't exist
Racism exists but it isn't that bad
It's quite bad, but over-reported
This race being oppressed is more racist than the oppressors
It's bad, but it's their own fault
Outright racist remarks while still claiming not to be racist
Openly racist
Racism doesn't exist
Racism exists but it isn't that bad
It's quite bad, but over-reported
This race being oppressed is more racist than the oppressors
It's bad, but it's their own fault
Outright racist remarks while still claiming not to be racist
Openly racist
Jan 18th 2022, 7:12 pm
#1337
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Re: The Black Lives Matter movement
Originally Posted by Anian
The seven shades of racism:
Racism doesn't exist
Racism exists but it isn't that bad
It's quite bad, but over-reported
This race being oppressed is more racist than the oppressors
It's bad, but it's their own fault
Outright racist remarks while still claiming not to be racist
Openly racist
Racism doesn't exist
Racism exists but it isn't that bad
It's quite bad, but over-reported
This race being oppressed is more racist than the oppressors
It's bad, but it's their own fault
Outright racist remarks while still claiming not to be racist
Openly racist
Jan 18th 2022, 8:56 pm
#1338
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Re: The Black Lives Matter movement
Originally Posted by Anian
The seven shades of racism:
Racism doesn't exist
Racism exists but it isn't that bad
It's quite bad, but over-reported
This race being oppressed is more racist than the oppressors
It's bad, but it's their own fault
Outright racist remarks while still claiming not to be racist
Openly racist
Racism doesn't exist
Racism exists but it isn't that bad
It's quite bad, but over-reported
This race being oppressed is more racist than the oppressors
It's bad, but it's their own fault
Outright racist remarks while still claiming not to be racist
Openly racist
Jan 19th 2022, 5:44 am
#1339
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Re: The Black Lives Matter movement
Originally Posted by Anian
The seven shades of racism:
Racism doesn't exist
Racism exists but it isn't that bad
It's quite bad, but over-reported
This race being oppressed is more racist than the oppressors
It's bad, but it's their own fault
Outright racist remarks while still claiming not to be racist
Openly racist
Racism doesn't exist
Racism exists but it isn't that bad
It's quite bad, but over-reported
This race being oppressed is more racist than the oppressors
It's bad, but it's their own fault
Outright racist remarks while still claiming not to be racist
Openly racist
Is there an 8th; "how can I be racist, I have black friends"?
Jan 19th 2022, 9:01 am
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Jan 19th 2022, 1:36 pm
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Re: The Black Lives Matter movement
Originally Posted by Shard
Words Have Lost Their Common Meaning
Is that link the source of the idea for that particular agenda?
Jan 19th 2022, 1:54 pm
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Re: The Black Lives Matter movement
Originally Posted by Scamp
Number 6 is a very polite version of "I'm not racist but..."
Is there an 8th; "how can I be racist, I have black friends"?
Is there an 8th; "how can I be racist, I have black friends"?
"how can I be racist, I have posted links from black authors"
Jan 19th 2022, 2:48 pm
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Re: The Black Lives Matter movement
Originally Posted by BristolUK
That's interesting.
One might also think of the word 'woke' that is now wrongly used - deliberately - to mean something negative rather than the common positive meaning.
Is that link the source of the idea for that particular agenda?
One might also think of the word 'woke' that is now wrongly used - deliberately - to mean something negative rather than the common positive meaning.
Is that link the source of the idea for that particular agenda?
Jan 19th 2022, 3:33 pm
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Re: The Black Lives Matter movement
Originally Posted by Shard
I believe McWhorter does use the word 'woke' in the manner you dislike, although I didn't see in the posted article. Not sure of the 'particular agenda'? Was just getting tired of the above studenty cliches about 'racism'.
Jan 23rd 2022, 10:24 pm
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Re: The Black Lives Matter movement
Originally Posted by Leslie
Oh is that what you said? Because when I read it, it sounded like this:
When you use words like --- "fixated" "absurd" "obsession" "politically motivated" "distorting reality" "one sided" --- well, you know what I'm getting at.
The reason the Aubrey [sic] case has received ANY coverage at all, is because of the video. The fat guys with goatees were fat and goateed prior to the leaking of the video yet there was zero coverage.
The reason it was "cherry picked" was because there was actually something being done about it after the video was leaked and went viral. Your point seems to be that since this event is not the "major" cause of death among young black men (nobody on this thread said is was BTW) we shouldn't be paying so much attention to Arbery case. Terrorism is not the leading cause of death of anybody but we cover terrorist attacks. Serial killers are not the leading cause of death anywhere yet we cover those extensively. Lots of cases are sensationalized specifically for the reason that just because they are UNUSUAL it doesn't mean they are not shocking. These types of murders make no sense and people want to understand the inexplicable. If this had been a case of two white men shooting a black convenience store clerk during a robbery, it still would have been tragic but it would not be so heavily covered. But you already know all of this.
Nope. It was initially covered only when the video was leaked (two months after his death) because of the shocking nature of the crime and the behavior of law enforcement. Then the trial was well covered, again because of the unusual nature of all of the events surrounding the murder. Between those two events there was very little coverage --- only when something new (and usually shocking) came out about the police cover up. Google is your friend. Go find all those front page stories we've been reading for two years straight. They're not there.
So what? Most murders aren't video taped. Most murders don't include three people simultaneously losing their goddamn minds, gunning down a man in the street, all the while filming themselves. Most murders don't involve a police cover up (though I'm starting to wonder) that results in the DA being indicted.
I guess you didn't actually pay attention to the case? Or maybe you did but you're hoping nobody else bothered to? You've made some troubling statements so I'll correct the record in the event somebody is reading this thread and taking everything at face value. This is a textbook case of the flawed American justice system giving proof that black people are often treated differently than white people by law enforcement --- maybe not in every situation but in many more than should ever happen. A few facts . . .
1) Mr. Arbery was indeed murdered by the police. One of his murderers was a career law enforcement officer who had been retired for less than a year. While he was not currently employed, he had extensive training and experience and felt that he was lawfully correct in his behavior (much more can be said about this if you like).
2) The same recently retired law enforcement officer, Gregory McMichael, called his former boss (the Brunswick county prosecutor) within an hour of the murder. While the crime scene was still active, he was asking for help/advice after having been involved in the murder of Arbery.
3) The police officers that arrived at the scene showed familiarity and deference to Mr. McMichael. They knew who he was. He was not taken into custody and they unquestioningly accepted his (their) version of events. They did not look for witnesses or question people from the neighborhood.
4) Collins, McMichael's former boss and Brunswick county prosecutor, did not pursue an investigation of the murder. She eventually recused herself because McMichael had worked in her office.
5) The case, still uninvestigated, was sent to George Barnhill even though McMichael had also worked in his office. Barnhill also eventually recused himself, and in the process, sent a recommendation forward DEFENDING McMichael's actions and advising against arresting the murderers for lack of probable cause.
As I said before, it all came out in the trial. Both the unfathomable behavior of a recently retired police officer and the local prosecutors.
When you use words like --- "fixated" "absurd" "obsession" "politically motivated" "distorting reality" "one sided" --- well, you know what I'm getting at.
The reason the Aubrey [sic] case has received ANY coverage at all, is because of the video. The fat guys with goatees were fat and goateed prior to the leaking of the video yet there was zero coverage.
The reason it was "cherry picked" was because there was actually something being done about it after the video was leaked and went viral. Your point seems to be that since this event is not the "major" cause of death among young black men (nobody on this thread said is was BTW) we shouldn't be paying so much attention to Arbery case. Terrorism is not the leading cause of death of anybody but we cover terrorist attacks. Serial killers are not the leading cause of death anywhere yet we cover those extensively. Lots of cases are sensationalized specifically for the reason that just because they are UNUSUAL it doesn't mean they are not shocking. These types of murders make no sense and people want to understand the inexplicable. If this had been a case of two white men shooting a black convenience store clerk during a robbery, it still would have been tragic but it would not be so heavily covered. But you already know all of this.
Nope. It was initially covered only when the video was leaked (two months after his death) because of the shocking nature of the crime and the behavior of law enforcement. Then the trial was well covered, again because of the unusual nature of all of the events surrounding the murder. Between those two events there was very little coverage --- only when something new (and usually shocking) came out about the police cover up. Google is your friend. Go find all those front page stories we've been reading for two years straight. They're not there.
So what? Most murders aren't video taped. Most murders don't include three people simultaneously losing their goddamn minds, gunning down a man in the street, all the while filming themselves. Most murders don't involve a police cover up (though I'm starting to wonder) that results in the DA being indicted.
I guess you didn't actually pay attention to the case? Or maybe you did but you're hoping nobody else bothered to? You've made some troubling statements so I'll correct the record in the event somebody is reading this thread and taking everything at face value. This is a textbook case of the flawed American justice system giving proof that black people are often treated differently than white people by law enforcement --- maybe not in every situation but in many more than should ever happen. A few facts . . .
1) Mr. Arbery was indeed murdered by the police. One of his murderers was a career law enforcement officer who had been retired for less than a year. While he was not currently employed, he had extensive training and experience and felt that he was lawfully correct in his behavior (much more can be said about this if you like).
2) The same recently retired law enforcement officer, Gregory McMichael, called his former boss (the Brunswick county prosecutor) within an hour of the murder. While the crime scene was still active, he was asking for help/advice after having been involved in the murder of Arbery.
3) The police officers that arrived at the scene showed familiarity and deference to Mr. McMichael. They knew who he was. He was not taken into custody and they unquestioningly accepted his (their) version of events. They did not look for witnesses or question people from the neighborhood.
4) Collins, McMichael's former boss and Brunswick county prosecutor, did not pursue an investigation of the murder. She eventually recused herself because McMichael had worked in her office.
5) The case, still uninvestigated, was sent to George Barnhill even though McMichael had also worked in his office. Barnhill also eventually recused himself, and in the process, sent a recommendation forward DEFENDING McMichael's actions and advising against arresting the murderers for lack of probable cause.
As I said before, it all came out in the trial. Both the unfathomable behavior of a recently retired police officer and the local prosecutors.
Okay! So that's the Arbery debate done and dusted? No more dodgy statistics or inaccurate assertions?
Go team
Feb 22nd 2022, 3:27 pm
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Re: The Black Lives Matter movement
Apr 14th 2022, 3:00 am
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Re: The Black Lives Matter movement
Not sure if this is considered off-topic for the BLM thread, but just saw this today ...
If 2020 was the year progressives reordered the traditional politics of crime and policing, 2022 looks like the year centrists are regaining their footing and nullifying those gains.
Maybe it belongs in a thread about the 2022 midterms - will the democrats crash and burn, losing house and senate?
Dems retreat on crime and police reform
President Joe Biden is proclaiming that it’s time to “fund the police” and pouring more money into law enforcement in his budget plan. Democratic mayors in deep-blue cities are promising to hire hundreds more cops. Even in liberal bastions like Los Angeles, candidates are sprinting to claim the tough-on-crime mantle.If 2020 was the year progressives reordered the traditional politics of crime and policing, 2022 looks like the year centrists are regaining their footing and nullifying those gains.
Maybe it belongs in a thread about the 2022 midterms - will the democrats crash and burn, losing house and senate?
Apr 14th 2022, 4:28 am
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Re: The Black Lives Matter movement
Originally Posted by Steerpike
Not sure if this is considered off-topic for the BLM thread, but just saw this today ...
If 2020 was the year progressives reordered the traditional politics of crime and policing, 2022 looks like the year centrists are regaining their footing and nullifying those gains.
Maybe it belongs in a thread about the 2022 midterms - will the democrats crash and burn, losing house and senate?
Dems retreat on crime and police reform
President Joe Biden is proclaiming that it’s time to “fund the police” and pouring more money into law enforcement in his budget plan. Democratic mayors in deep-blue cities are promising to hire hundreds more cops. Even in liberal bastions like Los Angeles, candidates are sprinting to claim the tough-on-crime mantle.If 2020 was the year progressives reordered the traditional politics of crime and policing, 2022 looks like the year centrists are regaining their footing and nullifying those gains.
Maybe it belongs in a thread about the 2022 midterms - will the democrats crash and burn, losing house and senate?
