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Old Dec 27th 2021, 1:55 am
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
Or has killed?

There is nothing worth having in TIO any more, and there will be no new posters with this crap being spouted. Unless it's people who want to join some sort of alt right group.
Maybe a mercy killing is in order. And I'll let the reader decide which subject of the quoted post I am referring to.
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Old Dec 27th 2021, 3:52 am
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Long NY Times article on how those that advise and train police officers end up being called as expert witnesses to defend police in cases where people die in police custody:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/26/us/police-deaths-in-custody-blame.html

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I can see why they'd be called as experts, but they're hardly going to say the training was flawed. Better training and mental conditioning should be priorities, because when the default is a hammer, every interaction with the public becommes a nail to be knocked onto place, especially if you're not white in the US.
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Old Jan 7th 2022, 9:09 pm
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Already posted in the WTF Murders thread... two life without parole, one life with serving at least 30 years. A small piece of progress in black lives mattering.

"The judge said the McMichaels had not shown remorse or empathy for Arbery

Judge Timothy Walmsley said he gave them severe sentences in part because of their "callous" words and actions captured on video."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59912361
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Already posted in the WTF Murders thread... two life without parole, one life with serving at least 30 years. A small piece of progress in black lives mattering.

"The judge said the McMichaels had not shown remorse or empathy for Arbery

Judge Timothy Walmsley said he gave them severe sentences in part because of their "callous" words and actions captured on video."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59912361
Good.

There is a civil rights charge too.
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Old Jan 7th 2022, 10:48 pm
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Is it my birthday?!?!?
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Old Jan 7th 2022, 11:27 pm
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Is it my birthday?!?!?
There is still hope for this Country/nation/union. This progress happened in Georgia!

Say his name* Ahmaud Arbery*

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Old Jan 8th 2022, 4:18 am
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The judge's minute of silence and reflection on Arbery as a person was poignant.
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There is still hope for this Country/nation/union. This progress happened in Georgia!

Say his name* Ahmaud Arbery*
There is still hope. We need to have hope that the lights that have been lit around out one world are not now being snuffed by the dreadful & entitled.

All that is needed is to not allow that which is not decent to somehow creep in. Be that invert or direct, stealth or smarm . Kick it out. Just kick it out. It should have no place here on BE of all places.

There should be a thread about differences , fears ; acceptance & tolerance but it is not this one and never was from the outset.
There should be a thread about inequality , racism and prejudice but it is not this one by more than a long chalk.
There should be a thread about all the above , where posters talk to and fro but absolutely without the insidious insertion of noxious ideologies not suited or actually needed for the health of BE.

This thread was started in a sewer , let alone a gutter . It has made BE seem a far lesser place. A less safe place. It eroded BE and the very ethos of BE .

At least one can see one good & just outcome being posted in all of this.

I actually feel that young man's name deserves a far better place to be mentioned than in this thread . I really do.

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Old Jan 9th 2022, 2:38 pm
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The one-sidedness of the posting here needs some context. People are sadly murdered every day in the US and the fixation on this case seems politically motivated. The blanket coverage of the Aubery case is verging on distorting reality. In 2018, 514 white people were killed by black people. 234 black people were killed by white people. Given that 58% of Americans are white and about 12% of Americans are black, normalizing for population size makes this disparity grow even more dramatically. I'd never say that there's an "epidemic of black on white murder in the US", and clearly the idea that there's some sort of epidemic of white on black violence is even more absurd. Likewise, over 10x the number of black people killed by white people were killed by other black people. That likewise seems relevant.

Source for this: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ta-table-6.xls

The Aubery case is tragic and his murder was outrageous. Justice has been served. Still, tragically it's a fact that pointless, horrific murder happens daily in the US. In that regard, this blanket coverage and "say his name" obsession seems like a political view, not a reflection of reality.
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The one-sidedness of the posting here needs some context. People are sadly murdered every day in the US and the fixation on this case seems politically motivated. The blanket coverage of the Aubery case is verging on distorting reality. In 2018, 514 white people were killed by black people. 234 black people were killed by white people. Given that 58% of Americans are white and about 12% of Americans are black, normalizing for population size makes this disparity grow even more dramatically. I'd never say that there's an "epidemic of black on white murder in the US", and clearly the idea that there's some sort of epidemic of white on black violence is even more absurd. Likewise, over 10x the number of black people killed by white people were killed by other black people. That likewise seems relevant.

Source for this: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ta-table-6.xls

The Aubery case is tragic and his murder was outrageous. Justice has been served. Still, tragically it's a fact that pointless, horrific murder happens daily in the US. In that regard, this blanket coverage and "say his name" obsession seems like a political view, not a reflection of reality.
Sadly, white murderers of black victims have mostly seemed to get lower sentences over the years than black murderers of white victims. In both cases, the black person's value has been seen as lower.

That's a fact, Jack!
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Originally Posted by Hiro11 View Post
The one-sidedness of the posting here needs some context. People are sadly murdered every day in the US and the fixation on this case seems politically motivated. The blanket coverage of the Aubery case is verging on distorting reality. In 2018, 514 white people were killed by black people. 234 black people were killed by white people. Given that 58% of Americans are white and about 12% of Americans are black, normalizing for population size makes this disparity grow even more dramatically. I'd never say that there's an "epidemic of black on white murder in the US", and clearly the idea that there's some sort of epidemic of white on black violence is even more absurd. Likewise, over 10x the number of black people killed by white people were killed by other black people. That likewise seems relevant.

Source for this: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ta-table-6.xls

The Aubery case is tragic and his murder was outrageous. Justice has been served. Still, tragically it's a fact that pointless, horrific murder happens daily in the US. In that regard, this blanket coverage and "say his name" obsession seems like a political view, not a reflection of reality.
​​​​​​That's a valid point in regard to the BLM movement in general, but I think certain cases like Floyd and Arbery can be instructive as to the deep flaws within the American system. In both those cases the manner of the murder was truly grotesque (as opposed to a robbery gone wrong or gang violence). In that regard I think it's worthwhile for the media to highlight such individual cases.
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​​​​​​That's a valid point in regard to the BLM movement in general, but I think certain cases like Floyd and Arbery can be instructive as to the deep flaws within the American system. In both those cases the manner of the murder was truly grotesque (as opposed to a robbery gone wrong or gang violence). In that regard I think it's worthwhile for the media to highlight such individual cases.
BLM was founded to confront police violence - including murder - against black people. As such the focus on such killings is absolutely right. As for Arbery, it isn’t just that he was murdered but the barrel full of racism that accompanied it.
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BLM was founded to confront police violence - including murder - against black people. As such the focus on such killings is absolutely right. As for Arbery, it isn’t just that he was murdered but the barrel full of racism that accompanied it.
An excellent post! It's a shame it keeps needing to be repeated.
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Sadly, white murderers of black victims have mostly seemed to get lower sentences over the years than black murderers of white victims. In both cases, the black person's value has been seen as lower.

That's a fact, Jack!
I'd like to see this evidence. Also, normalizing across all of the situations that can result in a murder to make them comparable is extremely difficult if not impossible.
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