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Old Jun 11th 2019, 3:13 pm
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
Which of those positions do you not agree with?
Without giving it more time than it's worth, I would say all of it. They aren't positions - that would imply actual analysis.

Which do you agree with?

I know Paulry doesn't think gay people should be allowed to get married, for example.

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Old Jun 11th 2019, 3:16 pm
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Last week I saw the Romanian film " I Do Not Care If We Go Down in History as Barbarians". It's about the planning of a WW2 reenactment, and the issue of which bits of history to include, and the historical myopia that cultures develop over such things as joining in a genocide
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Old Jun 11th 2019, 3:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Expatrick View Post
For those who can receive BBC World, the interview with Margaret Hodge on "Hard Talk" is worth watching (it will be repeated over the next days).
Hard Talk is viewable? I occasionally catch it on CBC radio at 5.00am!!
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Old Jun 11th 2019, 3:50 pm
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Hard Talk is viewable? I occasionally catch it on CBC radio at 5.00am!!
It is, on our version anyway! Hope you can catch it!
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Old Jun 11th 2019, 9:46 pm
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
Without giving it more time than it's worth, I would say all of it. They aren't positions - that would imply actual analysis.

Which do you agree with?

I know Paulry doesn't think gay people should be allowed to get married, for example.
Why would it not be valid to discuss whether we are better off to try finding carbon stores or otherwise abating some of MMCC's impacts rather than solely reducing emissions? It's a perfectly valid point for discussion.
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Old Jun 11th 2019, 10:21 pm
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I am anti-populist.
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Without giving it more time than it's worth, I would say all of it. They aren't positions - that would imply actual analysis.

Which do you agree with?

I know Paulry doesn't think gay people should be allowed to get married, for example.
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Why would it not be valid to discuss whether we are better off to try finding carbon stores or otherwise abating some of MMCC's impacts rather than solely reducing emissions? It's a perfectly valid point for discussion.
Don't expect a rational response anytime soon. Since admitting above that she is an anti-populist and being confronted with the truth about their less than peace loving actions and anti-democratic stance, all she's been able to do is throw up straw man arguments.
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Old Jun 11th 2019, 11:49 pm
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
Which of those positions do you not agree with?
Um. All of it. What on earth is it really other than someone seeking to be either offensive or pseudo controversial, rather like a shock jock

Note: Me as a poster not an admin.

Originally Posted by Expatrick View Post
For those who can receive BBC World, the interview with Margaret Hodge on "Hard Talk" is worth watching (it will be repeated over the next days).
I will try to see if I can watch this. Thanks Expatrick.


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Originally Posted by paulry View Post
Don't expect a rational response anytime soon. Since admitting above that she is an anti-populist and being confronted with the truth about their less than peace loving actions and anti-democratic stance, all she's been able to do is throw up straw man arguments.
Why is being anti-populist an "admission"? I thought you weren't either populist or antipopulist, so why do you care either way? Personally, I'm quite public and happy with my position.

And who are the "they" that this supposedly lumps me in the same basket with?
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Why would it not be valid to discuss whether we are better off to try finding carbon stores or otherwise abating some of MMCC's impacts rather than solely reducing emissions? It's a perfectly valid point for discussion.
From which I take it that you do disagree with all the rest of that garbage. Well, that's some sort of relief I suppose.

I'll be going elsewhere for serious proposals on environmental concerns.
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So are pro-populist or anti-populist?
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I'm neither. How about you?


You might want to review this thread, started by tu, and your contributions. And then point us in the direction of any counterbalance

Still waiting for your post EU elections contributions to that thread, by the way No rush, though. Obviously it's a bit complicated, especially from a populist point of view
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You might want to review this thread, started by tu, and your contributions. And then point us in the direction of any counterbalance

Still waiting for your post EU elections contributions to that thread, by the way No rush, though. Obviously it's a bit complicated, especially from a populist point of view
I think his new stance comes from Farage's new idea - deny that you hold any actual positions, and that way nobody can ever prove that you lied or were wrong or hold you to anything.

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Good points you make. And if we look at the many EU treaties, including May's appalling "deal" - none of which voters have been asked to vote on, and they have nearly all had the effect of triggering rises in so-called populism. But for some reason it's the stupid and bigoted voters who are to blame, they brought it on themselves....
To a large extent you're right, they have brought it upon themselves. They fail to see the signs early doors (Why is beyond me, isn't that why they're world leaders in the first place?) . they hope it will go away, then when it becomes too big to sweep under the carpet they demonize anyone who sympathises with the populists. Then with any luck they'll dodge a bullet. You have to wonder how often they'll get away with putting their fingers in their ears before a full on civil war erupts. Still won't be their fault though
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I think his new stance comes from Farage's new idea - deny that you hold any actual positions, and that way nobody can ever prove that you lied or were wrong or hold you to anything.
Yes, there's quite a trend for people conveniently forgetting what they've previously said.

Did I just read paulry calling for a public vote on the Withdrawal Agreement?
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To a large extent you're right, they have brought it upon themselves. They fail to see the signs early doors (Why is beyond me, isn't that why they're world leaders in the first place?) . they hope it will go away, then when it becomes too big to sweep under the carpet they demonize anyone who sympathises with the populists. Then with any luck they'll dodge a bullet. You have to wonder how often they'll get away with putting their fingers in their ears before a full on civil war erupts. Still won't be their fault though
Who are the "they" here? And what signs are we talking about? Inequity of wealth and poverty of opportuinity, education, services, and housing? If so, yes, our government should and could have addressed all of those but "the populists", in terms of those who push themselves to the forefront and stir up anger and resentment with no specific remedies or plan at all do not represent any sort of change that will make those people's lives better. It never has. Populist leaders tell others what they should be angry about, why they are angry about it, who they should be angry with, and tap into emotions while offering no real policy at all other than vague things like "get our country back" and "the elites don't understand you but I do, follow me".It's despicable, and when it's pointed out that it's despicable, said populists then defend themselves by saying "see, I told you, they are looking down on you, the ordinary person". Even thought it's "ordinary people" pointing out how despicable the populist leaders are - the mere act of doing this makes us "elites" and therefore in the wrong tribe. Somebody else for people to be told to be angry with. And people wonder why it is that one part of the UK can no longer have a civil conversation with another part - populist heaven, got to have enemies and got to have anger.

As for "they should have seen it coming" - well "they" did. Inequity isn't an accident. But the propaganda, manipulation and lies used to work people up about immigration and "multiculturalism" prior to the EU referendum (and Paulry's favourite topic, with pictures, on BE in the years running up to the referendum) - well, the leaders in that carry a vast portion of the blame for capitalizing on the inequity for their own very sleazy ends. They didn't just see it coming, they created it. We keep being told we are "blaming the voters" but I'm certainly not nor are most others that I know of - I blame the opportunist propagators of fear, bigotry and lies, and the misdirectors of anger. The answer to injustice is not a lot of nationalist thugs who will benefit only the wealthy and powerful, even if they are dressed in smart suits and appeal to some people's authoritarian tendencies and regressive social ideals.

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Old Jun 13th 2019, 12:44 pm
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You might want to review this thread, started by tu, and your contributions. And then point us in the direction of any counterbalance
Oh bugger, you caught me out there. Yeah okay then I'm a populist
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