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Old Feb 28th 2012, 8:32 pm
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I'm not going to waste my time convincing you that you're being manipulated when you obviously enjoy it so much.
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Old Feb 28th 2012, 8:34 pm
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Old Feb 28th 2012, 8:36 pm
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You believe they're using reverse psychology - it's your opinion, so please don't present it as fact.
Well here is the wikipedia entry for "Francesco Minerva" , catholic bishop no less, and the paper was written from the grave, so divine intervention might be suspected!

Oh wait, the authors name is Francesca Minerva, my mistake.
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Well here is the wikipedia entry for "Francesco Minerva" , catholic bishop no less, and the paper was written from the grave, so divine intervention might be suspected!

Oh wait, the authors name is Francesca Minerva, my mistake.
It's Francesca, you numpty.
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It's Francesca, you numpty.
Are you on a one-line-read go-slow-work-to-rule today?
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Originally Posted by kimilseung View Post
Are you on a one-line-read go-slow-work-to-rule today?
Maybe ...

Anyway, according to her twitter page, Francesca Minerva is a follower of Richard Dawkins, so I hardly think she's a member of any right-wing, religious bunch.
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Originally Posted by Uncle Ebenezer View Post
Maybe ...

Anyway, according to her twitter page, Francesca Minerva is a follower of Richard Dawkins, so I hardly think she's a member of any right-wing, religious bunch.
I did note that one of her interests is 'conflicts between secular and religious ethics'
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Personally, I see two issues here. One is that this was presented as a paper in the Journal of Medical Ethics. I suppose the reader has to make the decision if the writers of the paper were being serious or not, but I don't think it is something to be flippant about, irrespective about what horrible things are going on in far-flung lands. I don't have degrees of disagreement, I just disagree with something and I disagree with this paper being presented at all, regardless of the validity of the content.

The other issue is that this Blaze website may have used this article (sited under their 'Faith' section no less) as a propaganda tool against pro-choice minded people, or abortions or whatever. Again, whether this is a serious consideration or not is neither here nor there in my eyes - that it was presented at all and for this purpose is ridiculously bad form if you ask me.
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Personally, I see two issues here. One is that this was presented as a paper in the Journal of Medical Ethics. I suppose the reader has to make the decision if the writers of the paper were being serious or not, but I don't think it is something to be flippant about, irrespective about what horrible things are going on in far-flung lands. I don't have degrees of disagreement, I just disagree with something and I disagree with this paper being presented at all, regardless of the validity of the content.

The other issue is that this Blaze website may have used this article (sited under their 'Faith' section no less) as a propaganda tool against pro-choice minded people, or abortions or whatever. Again, whether this is a serious consideration or not is neither here nor there in my eyes - that it was presented at all and for this purpose is ridiculously bad form if you ask me.
I see no problem in outlandish propositions being discussed, Such arguments can help in defining lines in the sand. I am surprised that someone would propose it without expectation of notoriety or rhetorical advantage.
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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing View Post
Personally, I see two issues here. One is that this was presented as a paper in the Journal of Medical Ethics. I suppose the reader has to make the decision if the writers of the paper were being serious or not, but I don't think it is something to be flippant about, irrespective about what horrible things are going on in far-flung lands. I don't have degrees of disagreement, I just disagree with something and I disagree with this paper being presented at all, regardless of the validity of the content.

The other issue is that this Blaze website may have used this article (sited under their 'Faith' section no less) as a propaganda tool against pro-choice minded people, or abortions or whatever. Again, whether this is a serious consideration or not is neither here nor there in my eyes - that it was presented at all and for this purpose is ridiculously bad form if you ask me.
Agreed, on both counts.
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I see no problem in outlandish propositions being discussed, Such arguments can help in defining lines in the sand.
Surely that is the whole point of ethical discussions.

Not much point having a Journal of Things Already Agreed Upon.
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And many more reasonable and humane practices have come out of intellectual debate.

You do realize this "article" is most likely a propaganda tool used by the pro-life faction in order to get people whipped into a frenzy, right? Nobody is actually considering killing new born babies.
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My point is that they're using reverse psychology on people and it is working. Obviously.

Nobody actually believes in killing newborn babies.
Well, it's not working on me. I can see through the BS.
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Old Feb 28th 2012, 9:04 pm
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I see no problem in outlandish propositions being discussed, Such arguments can help in defining lines in the sand. I am surprised that someone would propose it without expectation of notoriety or rhetorical advantage.
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Surely that is the whole point of ethical discussions.

Not much point having a Journal of Things Already Agreed Upon.
You have forced me to play the Godwin card.

If Hitler, being the powerful orator and debater he was, had had an ethical discussion on eugenics and won the debate, gassing the Jews would have been OK.
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Surely that is the whole point of ethical discussions.

Not much point having a Journal of Things Already Agreed Upon.
It's all in the presentation, not the intention.

If someone wants to make a pro-life argument then why not a scientific argument that demonstrates that meaningful life starts at conception? Why either side should have to resort to rhetoric or progaganda is just sad, IMO.

Horses for courses, I suppose.
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Yes.



Well, it's not working on me. I can see through the BS.
As I already pointed out, the woman is a follower of Richard Dawkins and therefore, most probably an atheist. Hardly a likely member of a right-wing pro-life movement, is she?

Anyway, when have you ever been able to see through bullshit, FFS?
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