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Veleta Jan 11th 2010 2:31 am

Re: Would you move to Spain now?
 

Originally Posted by fionamw (Post 8237933)
How so? I could understand if they've been "reformed" which was actually a 'from-the-bottom-up- rebuild, or that bits bunged on were not legal, but how could the whole property not be legal if it's a century or more old? (yes you hear the sound of fear from someone with total escrituras including pool plus neighbour up the hill who was born here & saw the reform etc etc!))



It's a thought.

A lot of old country properties have "issues". An extension added here or there, perhaps a whole new level put on top, a swimming pool added at some point, a little "casita" built at the end of the garden to house the cars, or worse...land divided up into plots and further properties built, etc, etc....all without the corresponding planning permission. The age old escritura often bears little resemblance to what the eye can see standing today. Most old fincas will have been "touched up" over the years in some way or another.

People with land that is "rustico" seem to have been allowed to run riot for decades, but not any more.

If you are worried about illegal properites and domolisions I think it is safest to buy on land that is "urbano" (not urbanizable), and that could be an old property or a new build.

Rotor Jan 11th 2010 2:34 am

Re: Would you move to Spain now?
 

Originally Posted by Veleta (Post 8237646)
I don't think it is new builds per sé that are risky. Afterall, there are plenty of "fincas" that are 100+ years old but aren't legal.

High risk properties are those that are built outside the city limits (so rural, or semi rural). But for some reason the British seem to be very attracted to that type of property!


100 year old cortijos are not a risk so long as they have an escrictura and nota simple ,many are not registered in order to save on ayuntamiento taxes, if old maps /deeds and even early satellite images can prove there existence you wont have a problem registering them,unless you turn an 80m cortijo into a 200m villa!!

Anything post 1970 needs checking with a fine tooth comb!

agoreira Jan 11th 2010 2:56 am

Re: Would you move to Spain now?
 

Originally Posted by Veleta (Post 8237646)
But for some reason the British seem to be very attracted to that type of property!

Yes, I have heard them on the TV programmes, "we want a bit of land where we can be self sufficient, keeps a few goats and chickens...." :) I wonder how many ever do?

lynnxa Jan 11th 2010 5:04 am

Re: Would you move to Spain now?
 

Originally Posted by expat2be (Post 8237751)
Might be a good place for a new thread. Everyone could start to list out specific areas where they know the buildings could be subject to issues. You're in Javea? I would be interested to know where some of trouble spots are in that area as we're looking to buy a holiday apartment in the area and in the future possibly something bigger.

Thanks.

I have to say I don't know of any actually IN Javea

there have recently been arrests (the mayor or former mayor & a gestor?) in Lliber which is quite close - all to do with illegal properties

it was 'common knowledge' that there are a lot of illegal properties in that area


as for apartments - there are tons for sale in Javea - some buildings have recently been completed & stand almost completely empty

fionamw Jan 11th 2010 5:35 am

Re: Would you move to Spain now?
 

Originally Posted by Veleta (Post 8238011)
A lot of old country properties have "issues". An extension added here or there, perhaps a whole new level put on top, a swimming pool added at some point, a little "casita" built at the end of the garden to house the cars, or worse...land divided up into plots and further properties built, etc, etc....all without the corresponding planning permission. The age old escritura often bears little resemblance to what the eye can see standing today. Most old fincas will have been "touched up" over the years in some way or another.

People with land that is "rustico" seem to have been allowed to run riot for decades, but not any more.

If you are worried about illegal properites and domolisions I think it is safest to buy on land that is "urbano" (not urbanizable), and that could be an old property or a new build.


Originally Posted by Rotor (Post 8238021)
100 year old cortijos are not a risk so long as they have an escrictura and nota simple ,many are not registered in order to save on ayuntamiento taxes, if old maps /deeds and even early satellite images can prove there existence you wont have a problem registering them,unless you turn an 80m cortijo into a 200m villa!!

Anything post 1970 needs checking with a fine tooth comb!


So if you've (read I've:unsure:) got a 150 year old former mill with extension at the back done when the property was reformed, and the escritura conforms to the size of what was here when we bought it, including the pool, that should be ok?
Just overlooking for a moment that we've done work subsequently to shore up the poolhouse creating a bit of a terrace, & done some path/minor terrace (and I do mean minor - about 2sq m) work.......

Val001 Jan 12th 2010 3:39 am

Re: Would you move to Spain now?
 
Hi there I've just joined this forum. We are in the process of buying a cortijo near Albuñol in the Costa Tropical region. It will be a holiday home for around 18 months when we plan to retire out there. I think demolition is a problem in some areas particularly with newer properties but I'm told by brits who have moved to our area that its not a problem there.

Can't wait to move out to Spain and leave the UK for ever as I think its going from bad to worse. Personally I wouldn't rent as I think its money down the drain but I know some people think you should first. We love the area and will be near the sea and also the mountains in a lovely 2-bed bungalow with a nice bit of land which we wanted as will be taking our two dogs out eventually. There is room for a pool which we shall get done at some point.

So all in all we can't wait. Just waiting for all documentation to get sorted. Its been owned by a swedish couple for 23 years but the man has now died and getting all docs in widow's sole name is proving to be a time consuming business :frown:

Still I'm sure all will be well and we are hoping to complete next month or early March :fingerscrossed:

Val :thumbsup:

paintermujer Jan 12th 2010 3:51 am

Re: Would you move to Spain now?
 

Originally Posted by Val001 (Post 8241568)
Hi there I've just joined this forum. We are in the process of buying a cortijo near Albuñol in the Costa Tropical region. It will be a holiday home for around 18 months when we plan to retire out there. I think demolition is a problem in some areas particularly with newer properties but I'm told by brits who have moved to our area that its not a problem there.

Can't wait to move out to Spain and leave the UK for ever as I think its going from bad to worse. Personally I wouldn't rent as I think its money down the drain but I know some people think you should first. We love the area and will be near the sea and also the mountains in a lovely 2-bed bungalow with a nice bit of land which we wanted as will be taking our two dogs out eventually. There is room for a pool which we shall get done at some point.

So all in all we can't wait. Just waiting for all documentation to get sorted. Its been owned by a swedish couple for 23 years but the man has now died and getting all docs in widow's sole name is proving to be a time consuming business :frown:

Still I'm sure all will be well and we are hoping to complete next month or early March :fingerscrossed:

Val :thumbsup:

Hi, welcome to the forum and good luck with your purchase.

cricketman Jan 12th 2010 3:52 am

Re: Would you move to Spain now?
 

Originally Posted by Val001 (Post 8241568)
Hi there I've just joined this forum. We are in the process of buying a cortijo near Albuñol in the Costa Tropical region. It will be a holiday home for around 18 months when we plan to retire out there. I think demolition is a problem in some areas particularly with newer properties but I'm told by brits who have moved to our area that its not a problem there.

Can't wait to move out to Spain and leave the UK for ever as I think its going from bad to worse. Personally I wouldn't rent as I think its money down the drain but I know some people think you should first. We love the area and will be near the sea and also the mountains in a lovely 2-bed bungalow with a nice bit of land which we wanted as will be taking our two dogs out eventually. There is room for a pool which we shall get done at some point.

So all in all we can't wait. Just waiting for all documentation to get sorted. Its been owned by a swedish couple for 23 years but the man has now died and getting all docs in widow's sole name is proving to be a time consuming business :frown:

Still I'm sure all will be well and we are hoping to complete next month or early March :fingerscrossed:

Val :thumbsup:

Welcome Val, hope the buy goes well for you...

Whether rent is money down the drain, bear in mind that some properties that were bought for 400k euros in 2005 in the CDS now cant sell for half that amount, but they still need maintaining every year and taxes paid on them...

Now that can be called money down the drain :)

Val001 Jan 12th 2010 3:58 am

Re: Would you move to Spain now?
 
True cricketman but this is an excellent time to buy in a depressed market. We are buying for €83,000 which we think is a good price for the property and land. Being sold fully firnished as well so we can just move in. :thumbup:

Val :)

cricketman Jan 12th 2010 4:03 am

Re: Would you move to Spain now?
 

Originally Posted by Val001 (Post 8241664)
True cricketman but this is an excellent time to buy in a depressed market. We are buying for €83,000 which we think is a good price for the property and land. Being sold fully firnished as well so we can just move in. :thumbup:

Val :)

I think that is called a risk-free price :)

Good luck!

fionamw Jan 12th 2010 4:13 am

Re: Would you move to Spain now?
 
Sounds a good price indeed... just one minor cautionary word, I don't know a thing about that neck of the woods but just be aware you might not get permission to build an in-ground pool. Water's a huge issue in some places.
Good luck & welcome to the forum.

Val001 Jan 12th 2010 4:19 am

Re: Would you move to Spain now?
 

Originally Posted by fionamw (Post 8241745)
Sounds a good price indeed... just one minor cautionary word, I don't know a thing about that neck of the woods but just be aware you might not get permission to build an in-ground pool. Water's a huge issue in some places.
Good luck & welcome to the forum.

Apparently you need planning permission for absolutely everything there :eek:

but a couple of brits who have lived there for 6 years say you can get a pool put in and they've done it so know a company we can go to. It will only be an issue once we've moved out there to live anyway and we have an inflatable spa pool to take out to use as a plunge pool for cooling off in the meantime.

First thing we need is gates and some fences and guess what you need planning permission for that too so its gonna be a trip to the town hall to get that sorted first as we must have secure boundaries for when we take the dogs out. :)

Its all exciting stuff though and we can't wait to get on with it.

Val :cool:

agoreira Jan 12th 2010 4:27 am

Re: Would you move to Spain now?
 

Originally Posted by Val001 (Post 8241568)
I think demolition is a problem in some areas particularly with newer properties but I'm told by brits who have moved to our area that its not a problem there.

Ah! That's OK if you were told by some Brits, it must be true! :)

GrapeEater Jan 12th 2010 4:27 am

Re: Would you move to Spain now?
 

Originally Posted by Madridboy (Post 8234619)
Without going into too much detail......(famous last words!)......
.....I came over here in a relationship that hadn't realy been working for years (first mistake)...moving house can be stressful enough but moving to another country can be extremely overwhelming........................
Despite everything that's happened and what has already been said ........

Sounds a familiar story these days and becoming a cliché... so why stick your head in the fire again ?

.. I guess human nature is to be hopeful and a bit wiser! Optimist or Dreamer ?

paintermujer Jan 12th 2010 4:42 am

Re: Would you move to Spain now?
 

Originally Posted by agoreira (Post 8241816)
Ah! That's OK if you were told by some Brits, it must be true! :)

Nothing wrong with a brits opinion or lots of their opinions but you have to decide on your own opinion.

Opinions vary.

And also when in spain ask a spanish person.They know most of all.:)


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